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OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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Or you're just missing the generally wide appeal of the project.

There just aren't enough hobbyists in the world running local AI models, never mind technically savvy enough to hack something like OpenClaw and be really excited about it. For a comparison, the local image gen interfaces ComfyUI and A1111 WebUI have a huge amount of stars (~100k and 160k respectively, accrued since 2022 or so), but they allow you to create porn customized to whatever kinks you have , not just automa…

I bet if people could star repos anonymously those porn repos would have more stars.

Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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I spent around $5 setting up a small bot and sending a few requests through the Claude API. For those who use Claude (or similar LLM APIs) on a daily basis, what does your monthly spend look like in practice? And do you feel the cost is justified by the value you’re getting?

$200/mth USD for me. Anthropic's oAuth Max20 subscription via their SDK. I've had several 100M+ token days without even a blip.

Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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I keep reading folks saying OpenClaw has completely changed their life while posting a picture of 58 mac minis on their desk. But every single use case I've read so far could be done with a pretty affordable SaaS product, Zapier, Automator (app on a mac that's existed for over a decade), or something simple you could make yourself. It also feels like people are automating things that don't really need to be automated…

Can't believe that I haven't seen the obvious answer, that OpenClaw is simply more fun to use. Sure, you MAY be able to do what OpenClaw does through 5 other dedicated tools, but you are going to take way longer to do so with a ton more drudge work. And above all else: it is extremely enjoyable to talk to the computer in normal language and just have stuff happen. And it's got a personality that you can tweak to your…

OpenClaw in most cases also going to use the very same dedicated tools, maybe variation of those tools dumbed down for LLM.

Almost every time I have an idea for AI Agent, I end up just making a script/binary that does the same, but so much faster that adding AI to it feels silly.

Recently I made a tool router that runs locally for such tools. Some tools have no arguments at all. Claude created a quick overlay where I can text/speak, and it will do tool call, without me asking for it, Claude added 4 buttons next to text input that bypass agent and just do a "tool call". I barely use text-to-command because those 4 buttons cover 9/10 of my use cases.

At this point I'm trying to come up with tools to add to it, so it's actually useful as an agent. Almost everything ends up being a cronjob or webhook triggered thing instead.

Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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Ignoring that you've just cut off a whole vector of usefulness, how do I keep it from exfilling my inbox to the Internet in response to a malicious email? Or using its access to take control of my online accounts? Honest question, this kind of stuff is what keeps me from using it.

Don't give it access to your email then. I haven't. Plenty of other uses for it!

Use this software, it's amazing, it will change your life!"

"Oh but don't use it for A, or B, or C (even though it says to use it for A, B, and C): it will ruin your life"

Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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I keep reading folks saying OpenClaw has completely changed their life while posting a picture of 58 mac minis on their desk. But every single use case I've read so far could be done with a pretty affordable SaaS product, Zapier, Automator (app on a mac that's existed for over a decade), or something simple you could make yourself. It also feels like people are automating things that don't really need to be automated…

> It also feels like people are automating things that don't really need to be automated at all (do you really need to be reminded to make coffee?) I've posted about this before, I call it the Jarvis effect. > For years we had people trying to make voice agents, like Iron Man's Jarvis, a thing. You had people super bought into the idea that if you could talk to your computer and say "Jarvis, book me a flight from New…

> (yes, HN included) to seem like a real member of a community, then start advertising something

Ah, so that is indeed the endgame of what I've been seeing, hmm?

Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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I keep reading folks saying OpenClaw has completely changed their life while posting a picture of 58 mac minis on their desk. But every single use case I've read so far could be done with a pretty affordable SaaS product, Zapier, Automator (app on a mac that's existed for over a decade), or something simple you could make yourself. It also feels like people are automating things that don't really need to be automated…

> But every single use case I've read so far could be done with a pretty affordable SaaS product,

reminds me of those "zune already does everything ipod does" posts.

Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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Or you're just missing the generally wide appeal of the project.

There just aren't enough hobbyists in the world running local AI models, never mind technically savvy enough to hack something like OpenClaw and be really excited about it. For a comparison, the local image gen interfaces ComfyUI and A1111 WebUI have a huge amount of stars (~100k and 160k respectively, accrued since 2022 or so), but they allow you to create porn customized to whatever kinks you have , not just automa…

Why would they be running local AI models? The creator of OpenClaw explicitly recommends against running OpenClaw using local LLM models at this time, because they're not as powerful as frontier models as well as much more gullible to prompt injection and the like.

Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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post #172

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How much do you automate anything in your life at all? Seems like most daily drudgery comes from physical tasks. Feed the dog. Take out the trash. Personally I can’t think of anything digital that could be automated that isn’t already. I wouldn’t be surprised if this the case for most people, with the exception of marketers and spammers which we are seeing a ton of adoption from with these tools.

I don't automate much because it's a pain. I have a desktop at home. When I'm at work, I often think of TODOs for home. I write them on a post it note, and then at home have to remember to add it to my TODO (no, I'm not going to manage TODOs on my phone - whole other conversation). I'll soon set up my Claw to be able to add TODOs (just add, not modify/delete). Then at work, I'll simply record a voice message to it te…

> no, I'm not going to manage TODOs on my phone - whole other conversation

I will. Far simpler, far more secure and far less wasteful than inserting some additional and unrequired LLM loop + hardware/virtualisation layer on top to do something I've already been able to do for years.

> But until you've had it on you for a while, you can't comprehend the utility.

You've not yet described anything that literally 99% of the population can not already do with the existing hardware and software in their pocket.

Re: OpenClaw surpasses React to become the most-starred software project on GitHub

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I keep reading folks saying OpenClaw has completely changed their life while posting a picture of 58 mac minis on their desk. But every single use case I've read so far could be done with a pretty affordable SaaS product, Zapier, Automator (app on a mac that's existed for over a decade), or something simple you could make yourself. It also feels like people are automating things that don't really need to be automated…

> Automator (app on a mac that's existed for over a decade) Two decades! It will be 20 this April. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automator_(macOS) Though technically it’s deprecated in favour of the clusterfuck of bugs and limitations that is Shortcuts. But you’re right, OpenClaw seems to be another fad being used mostly by “influencers” and “thought leaders” to show how awesome and productive they are at… Writing bl…

> that is Shortcuts.

I'm convinced apple doesn't want people doing general purpose computing on their apple devices.

they even want developers going through their gauntlet of apple-invented languages*.

[*] or NeXT

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