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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by _zagj »

swat535 wrote: post #248
acjohnson55 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope that it works out for you and your family.

As another Iranian living the West, I wish he would have been captured alive and stood trial. He should have answered for every single drop of blood on his hands. My 21 year old cousin was captured during the Mahsa uprising, she was sent to Evin prison, tortured for months. After she was released, we brought her to Canada and she was hospitalized for over a year. She will never be able to live a normal life again. De…

My condolences. Your cousin sounds very brave.

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Post by deaux »

muzani wrote: post #244
g8oz wrote: post #72

America and Israel are lawless countries. Can you imagine other countries assassinating a foreign head of state and not getting immediate blowback?

I prefer assassinations of leaders in wars over deaths of soldiers and especially civilians. Considering how Israel had to raze entire cities to beat 'Hamas' or the US dropping nukes in WW2 instead of bombing the Japanese Emperor. This is decent as far as wars go.

> Considering how Israel had to raze entire cities to beat 'Hamas'

They didn't, they just had to stop funding them, as Hamas has been funded by Israel.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

culi wrote: post #261
cosmicgadget wrote: post #257

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There was an election in 2024.

That's no excuse. And if a choice between 2 people that have been thoroughly vetted by elites is your definition of democracy, you have a sad sad view of what's possible.

Sorry, how are free and fair elections not democracy?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by cosmicgadget »

deaux wrote: post #270
cosmicgadget wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an election in 2024.

Between those currently in power, and those whose current leader (as senator minority leader).. is a known cheerleader of wars with Iran.

Wait are you saying Schumer was going to make Harris invade Iran?

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Post by ndiddy »

kubb wrote: post #25
thomassmith65 wrote: post #12

The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm They've waited a very long time for this moment!

I have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.

Yeah I'm not sure why people think that the Iranian government never considered any sort of continuity for what happens when their 86 year old ruler dies. It's not like they're ants that are all helpless without their sole supreme leader.

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Post by Jensson »

bjourne wrote: post #221
khazhoux wrote: post #175

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Every Iranian friend of mine is celebrating this. They desperately wanted him gone. Are you suggesting Iranians should have protested harder, maybe tried more to "bring change from within"?

I have ten times as many Iranian friends as you have. They are all against the bombings.

Most Iranians outside Iran fled from the current regimes terror, they are happy with this. My country took in a lot of Iranians when the current regime took over in the 70s and those are very happy about this. They are out on the street celebrating the attacks on Iranian leaders, not protesting against them.

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Post by lamontcg »

orthogonal_cube wrote: post #135
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #39

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It’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years

Removal of the head of state is often a turning point. Either a regime becomes more extreme or the government collapses due to in-fighting as individuals attempt to gain control. I would hold back on any hopes until we see how the current government handles things. Intervention from other countries does not always lead to positive outcomes.

Has there been a regime which has collapsed due to an external strike like this where it hasn't resulted in some decades long civil war nightmare?

I can't think of any time when bombing the shit out of a country and killing their leader has actually worked.

All I can think of is examples of blowback.

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Post by pygar »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #68

Why didn't he flee? This was a long time coming

His daughter, son-in-law, and the defense minister were also killed, as they were all in his residence at the time.

If he decided to stay for ideological reasons, they would not have been there.

My guess is that they might have misinterpreted the US's demands as starting positions while the US considered them to be final. Who would expect a country that can produce ballistic missiles to willingly give it up? It was a non-starter from the beginning.

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