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To add to what the central city budget problem is - each new piece of street and road in LA has, on average, not paid for itself in terms of increased revenue from taxes or otherwise. So for each new street widening, new road, and piece of highway capacity, LA was increasing it's financial liability to revenue ratio. Add over decades all of the street and road construction that LA has done, and it now has a unsustain…
Unless things are really different in California from where I'm at, I find it unlikely that the city is responsible for maintaining state and federal highways.
Why isn't LA repaving streets?
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Re: Why isn't LA repaving streets?
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not even saying school budgets are necessarily too high. I'm just saying that if someone is claiming that what amounts to 5-10% of the budget is why cities go bankrupt, and that's why they need to entirely reshape how they develop to fit some idyllic vision of a pedestrian city, then I'm going to go ahead and doubt their analysis. Like I'm happy that my (suburban) city requires new developments to connect to a ci…
I'm not sure I understand your argument. You can defer maintenance but school, police, firefighter, etc spending is constant. If your infrastructure is in trouble and your budget can't pay for the maintenance, you can limit the costs to 5% or 10% of the budget, but your infrastructure will continue decaying. Los Angeles has about 7500 miles of roads. At a reasonable cost of $5 million per mile that is 37.5 billion US…
Lots of suburban cities in the US are really nice, well run places. LA even as an example of a poorly run area doesn't actually seem to be in much of a financial pickle.
The point is
> you can limit the costs to 5% or 10% of the budget, but your infrastructure will continue decaying
Is just confused. The $1B/year you came up with as sufficient is ~7% of the LA city budget (~$14B), and that's excluding major expenses like schools since that's the county budget. If you look more holistically at just "what's the local government spending", the amount you say is needed to properly maintain the roads is more like 3-4%. Roads are just not a financial problem. Strongtowns guy just doesn't like them.
Re: Why isn't LA repaving streets?
#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
What they can tax does have to do with the GDP though. If they have a 1B deficit, they need to somehow tax Again, putting $1B in some perspective, the LA Unified School District budget (which is county-level, so not directly comparable to the city, but anyway) is just under $19B. Maybe someone else can ballpark how much of that is associated to the city. Or look the other things that scale with population: police, me…
Again, they have $1B in the current deficit. The have $1B in outstanding bonds. They have myriad other outstanding obligations that won't show up on the balance sheet for 20+ years. Strong Towns wrote an entire piece on this: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2025-10-27-ground-zero-l...
The city budget is $14B. So they need to make a ~7% adjustment somehow, which amounts to less than a 1% tweak to the local economy. That's not a broken system. It's not a ponzi scheme. It just means they should pay their bills and maybe reduce some waste. You yourself said it's trivial for residents to afford to just pay for the deficit.
Re: Why isn't LA repaving streets?
#274Maybe roads would last longer if we weren't all being forced to buy super heavy SUVs just so automakers can skirt emissions and fuel economy requirements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPm4de6-eTg
Re: Why isn't LA repaving streets?
#275The vast majority of the comments here seem to be completely missing the actual reason. I see people claiming this is about heavier SUV's, about people moving to the suburbs, governmental incompetence, that we "can't figure out how to pave roads", that this is corruption... ...just no. What this is, is that the federal ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) has required wheelchair access (curb ramps) along roads since…
This makes no sense. What you call "curb ramps" is a part of standard road infrastructure in Germany. They're basically everywhere in Germany. If the Los Angeles government can't figure out how to implement a practice that has been legislated for 36 years, then they deserve a kick in the balls that forces them to wake up. The fact that 36 years of neglect coincide in 2026 isn't the result of a law that happened to pa…
Curb ramps are all over the place in the US too. And I don't know what on earth Germany has to do with anything.
But the point is, if you force them to be constructed, then you need to pay for them. Maybe it's a "kick in the balls" as you put it, but without funding what exactly do you expect the city to do here? It can't conjure extra money out of thin air. LA isn't ideologically opposed to the ADA or anything. But it needs a whole bunch of money to be able to follow it. Money which hasn't been raised for it.
Regardless of the past history, passing a law forcing the city to do something without giving it the necessary money to do so is not a strategy that works.
Re: Why isn't LA repaving streets?
#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
Around here real estate listings are starting to not do interior pictures because the towns are known to predate on them for "hey you didn't get a permit for that bathroom reno" type crap.
Y'all need permits for non-structural (i.e. layout/framing stays the same) bathroom renovations? Holy shit.
Re: Why isn't LA repaving streets?
#277I have been a Strong Towns follower/member for about 6 years. I really don't think people realize the world of pain we're signing up for by not actually fixing the underlying problem of lack of density and walk-ability and their effect on the municipal budgets of American cities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_Towns I know municipal finance is about as exciting socks for Christmas, but if the Strong Towns thesi…
What this really is, is backdoor environmentalism. And I say that as someone that wants emissions down, reduced carbon, but a cat is a cat. And focusing on density to remove cars, because certain segments of the population rail against cars, isn't the problem people claim they are trying to solve.
For the roads? The easy way to pay for the roads, is to tax gas appropriately, and then ensure that tax only pays for roads. Nothing else, roads.
The second? Very clear end of year municipal budgets, showing how those funds were used.
Eventually, you'll reach a situation where the gas tax is the cost of road maintenance. And that's how it should be.
Back to the overall question? Well, I suppose you have quakes in LA, but outside of that concept, the US south is just about the easiest place to maintain roads.
In Canadaland, we have road damage due to freezing and thawing. Frost greaves for example, are where water gets under the pavement, freezes, and breaks it upward as the ice expands. No amount of drainage can fully protect from this, it just happens. And the cost for daily snow removal, ice mitigation(salt, etc), dirt being spread, the same for all the sidewalks isn't free.
LA has none of that. The US south doesn't, generally speaking.
LA doesn't have a road problem. It doesn't have a revenue problem. It has absurd infighting, like the entire rest of the US, with team politics and an inability to act as a result. It also has poor fiscal constraint.
Smaller LA side roads should last decades with proper maintenance.
But that's part of the problem too.
A tiny crack can be sealed, but leave it a year and it becomes a pothole.
Re: Why isn't LA repaving streets?
#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
The demand is there: https://la.urbanize.city/post/plan-skyline-altering-tower-ab... The point is that the vast majority of budgetary issues in LA could be solved by just legalizing, and streamlining the production of something as simple as three-story row housing like the kind that's normal in San Francisco (which has a surprisingly good long-term outlook despite their current budget woes). It's not rocket science h…
I recently reviewed a bid from a not-particularly-fancy contractor for nearly $1M to build ~1200 sq ft in an empty lot in Los Angeles. This isn’t just a planning permit probem.
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#280Ramps were kinda normal even in deep Russia 20+ years ago, I mean I wouldn't call them fancy and some were steeper than others but they were ramps, great when riding around on a bicycle hard to believe it's a problem for LA in 2026... 3 months to build 12 ramps?
I was going to say, how on earth does it take 3 months to build 12 ramps. Seems like there’s a much deeper dysfunction. Ramps should genuinely be able to be stamped out at scale. This is the type of thing China would do in a few hours