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Post by BlueTemplar »

sznio wrote: post #95
toomuchtodo wrote: post #65

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Indeed. Empathy and the levels of wealth accumulation in scope are incompatible imho. They are the paperclip maximizers we were warned about.

I thought about the same recently, in the context of the Epstein files. You don't become a billionaire by being moral. Each time you don't do something because it's wrong, you lost opportunity to make more money. You start with smaller things, then your standards slide more and more, until you are a billionaire, and you're so corrupt there isn't anything for you to do except make more money. Which makes me wonder, ho…

Oh yeah, plenty of that, even scientists and thinkers were tempted, we had plenty of details even before the 'files', thanks to Maxwell's phone book :

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/i-called-everyo...

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Post by mrguyorama »

e2le wrote: post #162
heliumtera wrote: post #62

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>It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad By the "greying out" of your comment, I would assume two things: First, the difficulty you describe is not on the past. Second, normies are here in much bigger proportion than a hacker would assume, and they are offended on the behalf of tech billionaires.

Some might even agree with their dystopic vision of the future.

One outcome of the Epstein files release is getting direct evidence, very clearly, how goddamned stupid and crass and uninteresting these assholes are.

They talk like the dumbest 1850s british aristocrats. They talk as if they are discussing how lazy the Irish are and how that is definitely why they are starving. They have objectively stupid opinions. They believe themselves especially smart as they fire off one or two sentences about high school level philosophy topics, and they somehow find a way to generate wrong answers to questions that really shouldn't even have wrong answers. All the while, they misspell everything because apparently they are outright illiterate too.

Like, they say such utterly stupid things as "Women are too emotional to make good decisions". As if they don't do the things they do for extremely petty reasons.

And yet, still some morons all over the US think they must be geniuses because they fell ass backwards into a literal bubble and came out rich. You can publicly be an absolute moron and the Wealth propaganda in the US is so bad people will still insist you must be magically genius and only pretending to be stupid.

Did they even encrypt their "I'd like to purchase a rape of a little girl please" emails?

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Post by trinsic2 »

jacquesm wrote: post #67
heliumtera wrote: post #62

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>It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad By the "greying out" of your comment, I would assume two things: First, the difficulty you describe is not on the past. Second, normies are here in much bigger proportion than a hacker would assume, and they are offended on the behalf of tech billionaires.

They're not so much offended by it as that they would like to join the billionaire class and believe that those in power may at some point come to review their voting behavior on HN. For instance, YC asked for your HN username on the application form. Of course I don't think they'd stoop so low as to look at the votes on subjects like this but that's the chilling effect for you and technically they have that ability.…

>They're not so much offended by it as that they would like to join the billionaire class

Same thing happened in WWII Nazi Germany. This timeline has an eerie similar feeling as the masses line up to the slaughter.

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Post by convolvatron »

nozzlegear wrote: post #241
edgyquant wrote: post #199

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It hasn’t come to that though, you can freely express that persons point with no repercussions outside of maybe not getting a check one day from the person you hate

Beyond just the concept of thought crime, one of the themes in Orwell's 1984 was that the government could arbitrarily decide that a thing you've done could be punished at any time. You didn't need to break a law to be punished by Big Brother, you just had to be a thorn in its side. In our world, the government/Palantir/ICE collecting the identities of people who criticize them is the kind of infrastructure that make…

its important to point out that its not about being a thorn in the government's side. you just have to not submit fully. in fact, even if everyone did submit completely, a fair number of people would still need to be rounded up and tortured just to keep the fear alive.

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Post by Freedom2 »

distortionfield wrote: post #174
rogerrogerr wrote: post #170

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So you think that the state has massive surveillance systems (definitely) that it is willing to use maliciously (maybe), but in the age of LLMs is fooled by swapping some letters around? Seems like the threat model is unlikely to line up with reality.

It’s not a “maybe”. This administration was collecting lists of people who spoke negatively about ICE from social media like a week ago. you really think they’re going to send them gift baskets or something?

> This administration was collecting lists of people who spoke negatively about ICE from social media like a week ago.

Source for this? This goes against many values of the US, so I'm surprised to see this statement thrown out so nonchalantly.

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Post by Aurornis »

EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #236
Aurornis wrote: post #25

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> So does this mean Discord is scrapping its new face verification requirement for users, No, they’re outsourcing the verification to an external company. Just not this one. Side note: The verification is only if you want to remove content filters, join adult-themed servers and a couple other features. If you only want to chat with your friends and use voice then no verification is required.

As far as I am aware, "sensitive content" is blocked even in private messages. So it impacts your ability to chat with friends.

As far as I'm aware, the sensitive content filter is for images, not text chat.

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/18210995019671...

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Post by trinsic2 »

edgyquant wrote: post #205
heliumtera wrote: post #62

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>It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad By the "greying out" of your comment, I would assume two things: First, the difficulty you describe is not on the past. Second, normies are here in much bigger proportion than a hacker would assume, and they are offended on the behalf of tech billionaires.

For me it’s because Peter Thiel has been pretty anti-transhumanism etc and he wasn’t stumped by the question he’s repeatedly answered it. Anyone who’s worldview is shaped by clips from tik tok should be downvoted

Bro you pair that with his other behavior and you can clearly see this is not a good guy. It's likely he is at least an accelerationist (Of the bad kind) of not more.

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Post by trinsic2 »

nailer wrote: post #188
jordanb wrote: post #49

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It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad until Thiel gave us that clip of him getting stumped by the "should humanity survive" question. I'm forever grateful to Thiel for that clip, and to Musk for his crippling Twitter addiction. It was pretty impossible to get regular people to understand that folks like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison are skinwalkers when all they…

> It was always difficult to get normal people to understand why the tech billionaires are so bad until Thiel gave us that clip of him getting stumped by the "should humanity survive" question. He was thinking about convergence. You're probably smart enough to be aware of that, so you're deliberately twisting his words. > folks like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison are skinwalkers On HN a decade ago this would have been m…

Actually It woke people up to the fact that there is clearly bad things going on. The people that take the politically correct standpoint have a lot to learn. Talking about things that are going wrong in society is important. If you don't like that, go live on an island somewhere where you can cut yourself off from humanity.

Discourse is good for society, unless you think that society shouldn't exist, or freedom shouldn't exist...

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Post by rezonant »

john_strinlai wrote: post #43
pavel_lishin wrote: post #40

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Some of the most interesting authors in tech on the internet have just absolute awful websites. Blinking animations everywhere, weird sounds, "cute" little javascript animations like it's 1999 again.

the last time the website was submitted, over half the comments talked about website design instead of the actual content. we can probably skip doing it again. different people have different tastes. people complain about boring websites, people complain about websites with animations or colors. the only guarantee is that the conversation isnt interesting. if you are on the side that doesnt like music, animations, wh…

Why not use your main account to post this, unless you mean it was submitted less than 4 days ago when your account was created? Genuinely curious what benefit a fresh account gives you here?

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Post by trinsic2 »

EQmWgw87pw wrote: post #154
pfraze wrote: post #91

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Ah yes, the real danger to the world isn’t a powerful man feeling ambivalent about our survival. The real danger is society using that moment as propaganda. This regarding Thiel, a man who most recently tried to make a “Greta Thunberg is the Antichrist” meme stick.

Hesitating to answer a question that may have nuance is not being “ambivalent”. He literally says “there’s multiple questions implicit here” in response to the question asked of him. I genuinely think people like you making sweeping assumptions about others are way more dangerous. People who refuse to critically think or analyze a situation and jump to conclusions.

You pair that with his behavior and you can see pretty clearly the guy does wants to control the world. Stop trying to see this in isolation of that one event.
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