Live data from Hacker News

CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

koreaherald.com

271–274 of 274 posts

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#271
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is really nothing about the stock market that means only thinking about the mext few quarters. See all the losses on the profit and loss statements of AI tech giants, or, say, game console companies? Why are their stocks still valued so highly during these periods? The answer: investors are thinking long term. It is really impossible to have quality long term thinking without capitalization accounting and simil…

I think the sentiment here is about management's tie of bonuses to near-term stock performance. Maybe not about the market itself, I agree with your view on investors want long term gains over short term fluctuations mostly.

It's ultimately the investors and owners of companies which control the company.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#272

Whenever China is mentioned, it's always about government subsidies, as if Samsung didn't receive government subsidies when it was developing

>> as if Samsung didn't receive government subsidies when it was developing

That's because Samsung didn't get gov't subsidies when they developed DRAM in the early 80's. Semiconductors weren't really among the targeted industries by the South Korean gov't and were largely ignored as the govt prioritized HCI (Heavy Chemical Industry), shipbuilding, steel, and automobiles. The gov't didn't understand the potential of semiconductors and viewed the growing industry as risky investment.

Unlike China or Taiwan, the South Korea's semiconductor industry was very much organic, started by a private company, Korea Semiconductor, in the mid 70's which was later acquired by Samsung and became Samsung Semiconductors Inc. And they bled millions of their own money until their own DRAM came out in the early 80's.

The gov't still believed the industry was too risky and costly even after Samsung's development of 64K and 256K DRAM in 1983 and 1984. Samsung burnt through their own cash stockpile cross-financed by other divisions, or borrowed from foreign banks and financial institutions. There was really no major support until 1986 when ETRI, a gov't sponsored research institution, stepped in to promote cooperation among domestic semiconductor players -- ie, so Samsung could teach and help bring up other chaebols LG and Hyundai up to speed.

So PLEASE no more insane whataboutism to defend China's neo-mercantile practices or illegal state subsidies.

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok but this is how the market is supposed to work. If the incumbents aren't doing what their customers want, then competitors can rise and fill the gap and compete. This isn't a shortcoming, it's a competitive market working as intended.

Everyone gets mad when Chinese do capitalism...

You mean neo-mercantilism?

Re: CXMT has been offering DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate

#274
post #172
post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we please stop with this irritatingly persistent myth? AI companies, at least the big ones, do not sell inference at a loss - far from it. This has been debunked and explained many times and yet it keeps being repeated. The numbers aren't public but most guesses I've heard are that Anthropic's markup is around 50% on average, and that if considered in isolation, most models are profitable overall. The constant lo…

You talk about myths and then quote vague guesses of 50% without sourcing.

Yes, because it can't be sourced. These are private companies. That doesn't mean that anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's.

The CEO of Anthropic, for example, has publicly stated multiple times that if their individual models were companies in and of themselves, they'd be profitable. I have no reason to think he's lying.

Post reply on HN