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AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by jacquesm »

pu_pe wrote: post #233
jacquesm wrote: post #191

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Prediction: open source will stop. Sure, people did it for the fun and the credits, but the fun quickly goes out of it when the credits go to the IP laundromat and the fun is had by the people ripping off your code. Why would anybody contribute their works for free in an environment like that?

I believe the exact opposite. We will see open source contributions skyrocket now. There are a ton of people who want to help and share their work, but technical ability was a major filter. If the barrier to entry is now lowered, expect to see many more people sharing stuff.

Yes, more people will be sharing stuff. And none of it will have long term staying power. Or do you honestly believe that a project like GCC or Linux would have been created and maintained over as long as they have been by the use of AI tools in the hands of noobs?

Technical ability is an absolute requirement for the production of quality work. If the signal drowns in the noise then we are much worse off than where we started.

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Post by energy123 »

ehnto wrote: post #223
iwontberude wrote: post #185

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Did you purposely write this to sound like an LLM?

It's just good writing structure. I get the feeling many people hadn't been exposed to good structure before LLMs. LLMs can definitely have a tone, but it is pretty annoying that every time someone cares to write well, they are getting accused of sounding like an LLM instead of the other way around. LLMs were trained to write well, on human writing, it's not surprising there is crossover.

Contrastive parallelism is an effective rhetorical device if the goal is to persuade or engage. It's not good if your goal is more honest, like pedagogy, curious exploration, discovery. It flattens and shoves things into categorical labels, leading the discussion more towards definitions of words and other sidetracks.

Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by jatora »

Tade0 wrote: post #250
alphazard wrote: post #158

There's an undertone of self-soothing "AI will leverage me, not replace me", which I don't agree with especially in the long run, at least in software. In the end it will be the users sculpting formal systems like playdoh. In the medium run, "AI is not a co-worker" is exactly right. The idea of a co-worker will go away. Human collaboration on software is fundamentally inefficient. We pay huge communication/synchroniz…

> The benefits we get from checking in with other humans, like error correction, and delegation can all be done better by AI. Not this generation of AI though. It's a text predictor, not a logic engine - it can't find actual flaws in your code, it's just really good at saying things which sound plausible.

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Post by entrox »

tovej wrote: post #258
entrox wrote: post #234

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Why is it bizarre? It is inevitable. After all, AI has not ruined creative professions, it merely disrupted and transformed them. And yes, I fully understand my whole comment here being snarky, but please bear with me. Let's rewind 4 years to this HN article titled "The AI Art Apocalypse": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32486133 and read some of the comments. > Actually all progress will definitely will have a…

The premise of those comments, just like the premise in this thread, is ridiculous and fantastical. The only way generative AI has changed the creative arts is that it's made it easier to produce low quality slop. I would not call that a true transformation. I'd call that saving costs at the expense of quality. The same is true of software. The difference is, unlike art, quality in software has very clear safety and…

I do not disagree, in fact I'm feeling more and more Butlerian with every passing day. However, it is undeniable that a transformation is taking place -- just not necessarily to the better.

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Post by tokenless »

BeetleB wrote: post #42
filipeisho wrote: post #34

By reading the title, I already know you did not try OpenClaw. AI employees are here.

Looking into OpenClaw, I really do want to believe all the hype. However, it's frustrating that I can find very few, concrete examples of people showcasing their work with it. Can you highlight what you've managed to do with it?

That ol' question. Reminds me of new cryptocurrency opportunities of 2019. "Few understand this" as they say.

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Post by SCdF »

ehnto wrote: post #223
iwontberude wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you purposely write this to sound like an LLM?

It's just good writing structure. I get the feeling many people hadn't been exposed to good structure before LLMs. LLMs can definitely have a tone, but it is pretty annoying that every time someone cares to write well, they are getting accused of sounding like an LLM instead of the other way around. LLMs were trained to write well, on human writing, it's not surprising there is crossover.

If it indicates, culturally in the current zeitgeist, that an AI wrote it, it becomes a bad structure.

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

alphazard wrote: post #158

There's an undertone of self-soothing "AI will leverage me, not replace me", which I don't agree with especially in the long run, at least in software. In the end it will be the users sculpting formal systems like playdoh. In the medium run, "AI is not a co-worker" is exactly right. The idea of a co-worker will go away. Human collaboration on software is fundamentally inefficient. We pay huge communication/synchroniz…

Well of course. In the long run AI will do almost all tasks that can be done from a computer.

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Post by Lionga »

jatora wrote: post #273
Tade0 wrote: post #250

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> The benefits we get from checking in with other humans, like error correction, and delegation can all be done better by AI. Not this generation of AI though. It's a text predictor, not a logic engine - it can't find actual flaws in your code, it's just really good at saying things which sound plausible.

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Re: AI is not a coworker, it's an exoskeleton

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Post by ben_w »

RealityVoid wrote: post #259
progx wrote: post #254

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And than you fix the produces shit, got high blood pressure and think "damn it,how I would love to yell at that employee"

Just like a real employee!

And just like a real employee, this makes it work worse.

(Old study, I wonder if it holds up on newer models? https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.14531)

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