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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Y-bar »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #157
Aurornis wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where the platform doesn’t see your ID ID checks aren't very worthwhile if anyone can use any ID with no consequences. How long would it take for someone's 18 year old brother to realize they can charge everyone $10 to "verify" everyone's accounts with their ID, because it doesn't matter whose ID is used?

Ok, at which point an adult has taken responsibility for giving them access. The older brother could also rent an R (or x) rated movie, buy cigarettes, lighters, dry ice, and give them to the kids. The point of the age check is to prevent kids from getting access without an adult in the loop, not to prevent an adult from providing kids access

This is a good point. We could extend it to computing devices: An adult gives a child access to a device, and now the adult is in the loop and takes responsibility. If said adult (parent, most often) want to automatically restrict certain activities/content on the device they can use the parental controls available. No panopticon required.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Valodim »

unethical_ban wrote: post #268
jen729w wrote: post #258

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> everyone would be better served by open platforms Oh cool, which ones?! …aaaand there's the problem.

This suggests that the immediate availability of a drop-in replacement today means there is no utility in encouraging that growth. There are multiple open-source tools that do everything Discord does. There are few-to-none that offer everything Discord does, and certainly none that are centralized, network-effect-capture-ready. Short term: * Small group chats with known friends: Signal, whatsapp, IRC, Matrix * Commun…

None of those play in the same league as discord for hosting a community, and none of them look in a position to be there in the foreseeable future. It sucks but that's how it is.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by dark-star »

Retr0id wrote: post #72
dark-star wrote: post #43

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You probably won't even have to validate then. I guess they can safely assume that you didn't create your account when you were 7 years or younger. They said they expect 80% of users or so to be auto-verified by some other means (account age, typing statistics, whatever)

My account is almost a decade old and discord is still asking me to complete age verification.

maybe it's different per country shrug

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by joe_mamba »

pests wrote: post #235
shevy-java wrote: post #229

"k-id, the age verification provider discord uses doesn't store or send your face to the server. instead, it sends a bunch of metadata about your face and general process details." I think the primary issue is not the "send your face" (face info) to a server. The problem is that private entities are greedy for user data, in this case tying facial recognition to activities related to interacting with other people, mos…

> the thought of requiring others to show their faces never occurred to me at all I know you meant as a service provider, but as a avid IRC (and an online game that conventionally alt-tabbed into a irc-like chat window) chatter as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends that I would not discover what they looked like IRL for decades, some never. People I was gaming with in the 90s, for the…

>as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends

As another 90s preteen, sure, but the internet today has a lot more pedos and groomers online than in the 90s, and preteens today easily share footage of themselves to those adult weirdos, which didn't happen in the 90s because mostly limitations of technology.

BUt if you look at tiktok live it's full of preteen girls dancing, and creepy old men donating them money to the point where tiktok live is basically a preteen strip club. We can't ignore these obvious problems just because we grew up with internet in the 90s and turned out alright.

We have to separate kids from adults on the internet somehow even though i distrust age-verifications systems as they basically remove your anonymity but a solution is inevitable even though it will be faulty and unpopular and people will try to bypass it.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by supermatt »

joe_mamba wrote: post #274
pests wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the thought of requiring others to show their faces never occurred to me at all I know you meant as a service provider, but as a avid IRC (and an online game that conventionally alt-tabbed into a irc-like chat window) chatter as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends that I would not discover what they looked like IRL for decades, some never. People I was gaming with in the 90s, for the…

>as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends As another 90s preteen, sure, but the internet today has a lot more pedos and groomers online than in the 90s, and preteens today easily share footage of themselves to those adult weirdos, which didn't happen in the 90s because mostly limitations of technology. BUt if you look at tiktok live it's full of preteen girls dancing, and creepy old men d…

The solution is parents using the parental control feature on their children’s devices.

If laws need to be made about something it should be to punish those parents who neglect to safeguard their children using the tools already available to them.

If the parental controls currently provided aren’t sufficient then they should be modified to be so - in addition to filtering, they should probably send a header to websites and a flag to apps giving an age/rating.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by luke727 »

shevy-java wrote: post #229

"k-id, the age verification provider discord uses doesn't store or send your face to the server. instead, it sends a bunch of metadata about your face and general process details." I think the primary issue is not the "send your face" (face info) to a server. The problem is that private entities are greedy for user data, in this case tying facial recognition to activities related to interacting with other people, mos…

The frustration aimed at Discord et al is largely misplaced. I'm sure these companies don't mind gathering extra data about their users, but the primary impetus for age verification is government legislation. Moving to alternative platforms is not a long term solution because it's attacking the problem from the wrong direction.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by cedws »

GaryBluto wrote: post #39

I don't understand why (mostly) young people put so much effort into remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them and that they do not like. Does the convenience of remaining on a service you don't like the management of outweigh the mild effort to find an alternative solution?

Because being principled damages your social opportunities. Trust me. I resisted Instagram for years. When I finally gave in I instantly had access to more events, was able to connect with more people, felt less excluded. I realised all that I had missed out on.

I don't think asking people to abandon a platform works. We need to fight for open protocols.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by hhh »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #234
michaelt wrote: post #108

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> I really don’t think any platform will be able to counter this. Do platforms want to counter it? Seems to me with an unreliable video selfie age verification: * Reasonable people with common sense don't need to upload scans of their driving licenses and passports * The platform gets to retain users without too much hassle * Porn site users are forced to create accounts; this enables tracking, boosting ad revenue an…

I think you forgot : * authorities get to selectively crack down on sites for not implementing "proper" age verification. The sites never had a widespread problem with grooming to begin with but just so happened to have a lot of other activity that the authorities didn't like. Having everyone operate in a gray area is dangerous and threatens the rule of law.

Discord does have a problem with grooming.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by KellyCriterion »

gclawes wrote: post #65
cocoto wrote: post #4

The real and robust method will be generating artificial video input instead of the real webcam. I really don’t think any platform will be able to counter this. If they start requiring to use a phone with harder to spoof camera input, you will simply be able to put the camera in front of a high resolution screen. The cat and mouse game will not last long.

Don't Windows Hello camera devices have some kind of hardware attestation? I'm sure verification schemes like this will eventually go down that path soon. My guess is that's probably one of the reasons Google tried to push for Play Store only apps, provide a measurable/verifiable software chain for stuff like this.

IIRC they had these fingerprinting pads?
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