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Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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You were recorded smoking marijuana, an illegal drug at the federal level. You were recorded walking into an abortion clinic, although face recognition identified as a resident of a state where abortion is illegal.

Well aren’t both of those things crimes? I’m not a fan of mass surveillance either but maybe pick a different example.

Is "crime" one and the same as "wrong"?

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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The Dark Knight was released in 2008. In that movie, Batman hijacks citizens' cellphones to track down the Joker, and it's presented as a major moral and ethical dilemma as part of the movie's overall themes. The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. Crazy to think that less than two decades later, an even more powerful surveillance technolo…

My background is aerospace engineering. Specifically, I have managed technical risk on a variety of aircraft fleets including SAR, military tactical aviation, and special missions aircraft. In a nutshell my job was to look at complex systems, identify likely failure modes, and come up with engineering solutions. I'm very good at it. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it turns out that identifying failure modes in complex systems is a highly transferable skill.

When I launched my first startup shortly after COVID I realized that that skillset makes me shitty at raising capital because I tend to only see the faults in my ideas and I end up with a "nobody would pay for this" mindset. But I also tend to easily spot the ways that tech companies' products can (will, do) go sideways. I am a perennial late adopter. I don't own an Alexa or really anything "smart" equivalent because I knew early on that they would become dystopian surveillance devices and/or security risks.

And I am so off-the-charts tired of being right.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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That has always been the question. Are you willing to be constantly surveilled for marginally more security?

Also, banning guns would do even more good. Strange that the people in favor of Flock cameras to reduce crime tend not to be in favor of banning guns to reduce crime.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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I genuinely want someone to build nice tech to solve this problem, I have a cctv at my home and once a month a cop shows up to get some info on a crime that has happened in my area, tech like homomorphic encryption should get really really good so that searching for a image or video in a footage should not create privacy nightmare.

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The Nolan Batman movies are absolutely risible in retrospect. It's hard to believe how seriously everyone took them back then.

Not a single person in the world took any of them "seriously." They're blockbuster movies about a comic book .

I mean, one actor took their role so seriously they locked themselves up in hotel room for a month in isolation to prepare for their role as Joker. Many people in film took it seriously.

Just because a piece is fictional or imaginative doesn't mean it can't be taken seriously

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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> Surveillance is desired by the politically and economically powerful It's also desired by consumers. Parents love tracking their children, spouses track each other. Everyone wants to get a camera to catch porch pirates. Let's not pretend this is something being forced on us by some external evil. The evil is coming from inside the house.

this is entirely misses the point about exactly what makes it dangerous there's nothing bad with having a camera to spot porch pirates, as long as the data stays private it becomes problematic when everyone's hooked up to one central place (plus the "AI") same as the common talking points about CCTV, which always miss the distinction that there's minimal risk if it's only going to some video recorder in the back of t…

>there's nothing bad with having a camera to spot porch pirates, as long as the data stays private

I'd be more inclined to accept this if the cameras were pointed only at the person's porch and not out onto the public and other people's property

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Part of the problem here is that people who love it are affecting people who do not. If you want to put cameras to record inside your home, fine, but this is people recording their neighbors without consent. The sales pitch is finding Fido, but I doubt that is the end game here.

A Ring camera pointed at a sidewalk or street is the clearest example of legally allowed filming in public I could imagine.

>legally allowed

People aren't arguing about what the law states.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Quoting from the press release: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/01/apple-introduces-new-... "Designed exclusively for tracking objects, and not people or pets " (emphasis mine)

That’s just so you don’t sue the over your lost dog

I think it’s also for practical reasons: your dog needs to be near a person with an iPhone. If the dog is in the middle of the woods it won’t show up. Generally most objects require a person to move them and so the chances of them being near an iPhone are much higher.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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that advert is just so horribly manipulative it's borderline evil how can normal people go to work and produce this output? (I suppose everyone that is prepared to work at Amazon corporate is... a certain type of person)

Because if you don't do what you are told at work, you may be forced to uproot your family, spouse, kids, and leave the country. You may be forced to abandon your pets and never see them again, forced to send your kids to suddenly school in a different, foreign-to-them language. You may be forced to pay tens of thousands in moving expenses. You may be forced to pay mortgages for a house you are not allowed to live in…

Wealth should be a source of power and agency, not an excuse for getting dogwalked. On the bright side, given that kids and houses and spouses are all becoming luxury items, there may be fewer people in the future who have to make that choice.

"Learn to live on lentils, and you will not have to be subservient to the king"

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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This is all intentional. The film is emulating the type of film that would be produced by this fascist regime, of course it isn't going to include proof of the fascists being wrong. But we also don't see any evidence in support of their claims of an "existential threat" beyond the fascists claiming there is one. And since it's from the fascist perspective, the lack of evidence justifying their actions ends up support…

For fellow HN'ers reading this epically long back and forth: sig appears to be taking the more mainstream stance that Starship Troopers is satire. This is reinforced my popular interpretations from, say, Wikipedia, but refuted by others, like say, IMDB. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/ mrob is part of the coalition (that included many critics when the film w…

What do people involved with the production of the film have to say about it?
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