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Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by sgt »

Thlom wrote: post #268
sgt wrote: post #265

I know a guy in Norway who got the "statsstipendiat" fund which basically gives him a very decent salary for the rest of his life, no questions asked. All he need to do is just continue doing whatever he's doing, make art and so on. That came as a big relief as he always struggled to make money, but it's still not a thing that a lot of people get.

That being said, it seems like this is being phased out. No new "statsstipendiat" has been awarded since 2019. Before that it was mostly 1-3 persons awarded each year.

That's silly, I think more should be handed out, to encourage art and culture and let it grow organically. But I guess with the Norske Krone doing so weak and the economy and all...

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by BryantD »

Ireland has already provided substantial benefits to artists — income from art is exempt from income tax up to a certain level. Society has not disintegrated. Speculation and anecdotes are not terribly useful but my Irish author friend is not from a rich family, nor is she well-off, but she’s able to support her husband and child in a smaller Irish city by dint of writing several books a year and stressing a lot. I don’t think it would be possible without the tax exemption.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money-and-tax/tax/inco...

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by fiftyacorn »

CalRobert wrote: post #227

The frustrating thing about this program is that it is not possible to avail of this unless you are ALREADY an artist. So if you gave up art because you had bills and kids and needed to support yourself or a family, you're SOL. The only person I know getting this money was already semi-retired after selling their house in London and retiring to the Irish countryside, and basically just noodles around on the guitar no…

Id commented on reddit a few weeks back that this type of scheme sounds great - but ends up being taken up by middle/upper classes as a bit of pocket money, and doesnt widen the pool or access to arts

The UK has this with lottery funding for athletes - it started really positive - but is now a lottery funded gap year for private school kids

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by y7 »

george11119 wrote: post #269
CalRobert wrote: post #227

The frustrating thing about this program is that it is not possible to avail of this unless you are ALREADY an artist. So if you gave up art because you had bills and kids and needed to support yourself or a family, you're SOL. The only person I know getting this money was already semi-retired after selling their house in London and retiring to the Irish countryside, and basically just noodles around on the guitar no…

i swear I've seen this comment about a guy who sold his house and getting basic income before edit: found it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45590900#45591439

That's also CalRobert's post, so it refers to the same person.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by smcleod »

tomcam wrote: post #144

I don’t get it. Why are artists more deserving than unemployed insurance salespeople or carpet installers?

I suspect it's a mix of trying to keep the arts (including music) alive, especially with all the big streaming services taking what would have been some of their profits in the past and - the likes of sales people don't directly do good for society (or at least, not all/most of them) - the world has more than enough sales people trying to get people to spend money, where as there's good research to show the value of investing in the arts.

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Post by seanieb »

Daub wrote: post #183

Artist speaking. A similar scheme was employed by Holland for many years. The state committed to buy at least one artwork from each artist per year and predictably their warehouses became filled with crap art that no one wanted. That being said, wise governments recognize the value of some kind of support of the arts. One reason for the incredible esteem that Korean culture is held in within Asia is the Korean govern…

Thats not similar in the slightest…

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Post by Supernaut »

paul7986 wrote: post #80
badc0ffee wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need to hear more about the baseball cap thing.

I heard Emily Blunt say on Graham Norton, "We know your American with your baseball cap." I know that's the UK but maybe it holds true for Dublin too. The looks were strange and from women in their 20s as I walked around Dublin. Im not much to look at yet do not receive such looks or rude behavior (one purposely did not hold the bathroom door at starbucks as I waited my turn 25 feet away waiting to get in rather she…

Hmm, I'm pretty sure there was something else going on in this instance. Baseball caps are an extremely common sight in Dublin. I frequently wear one when I'm out and about here, and nobody has ever taken umbrage or passed comment.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by PakistaniDenzel »

CalRobert wrote: post #227

The frustrating thing about this program is that it is not possible to avail of this unless you are ALREADY an artist. So if you gave up art because you had bills and kids and needed to support yourself or a family, you're SOL. The only person I know getting this money was already semi-retired after selling their house in London and retiring to the Irish countryside, and basically just noodles around on the guitar no…

If they didn't have this restriction everyone would suddenly be an "artist" and would claim the money.

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Post by hackable_sand »

devmor wrote: post #264
terminalshort wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Artists who were paid for by willing buyers, not tax payers who don't have a choice.

Your taxes subsidize walmart and you don’t have a choice either.

Yes. Everyone's gotta eat, even if Walmart refuses to pay fair wages.
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