We are here on HN are clearly not the target market for this product.
Not with that attitude.
Luce: First Electric Ferrari
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Car interiors are static so your brain very quickly ignores it while driving or after owning the car for a while. The interface / ergonomics on the other hand end up way more important than anything else when it comes to personal enjoyment of the interior.
For things like volume, A/C, adjusting mirrors and seats, I really, really want physical buttons. Not sure what I will do after my old Volvo dies, maybe the touchscreen mania will have gone away by then and physical buttons will be back. I can't imagine myself touching a screen while driving, I don't even know how I would be able to do that.
I just got a 2026 model year car and all of those items had physical controls.
Even with my other car that is mostly just a screen all but A/C is physical controls, but one really shouldn't be messing around with that while the car is in motion anyways, outside of operating the defrosters. I manage to practically never touch the AC.
It went from below freezing nearly every day to 80F+ in a week. I didn't have to touch the AC controls once. I don't get why people choose to distract themselves by toying around with the AC controls while driving. Focus on driving. Let the thermostat keep the car comfortable.
When the car is in motion you really shouldn't be messing with anything in the center console. I don't even bother with the volume knob on the stereo, just use the media controls on the wheel. Why take your hands off the steering controls when you don't have to?
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#273When Ferrari's hand is forced by the technology, you know it's unstoppable.
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This question's answer would require something more lecture length that dives into fundamentals of design with an equal amount of time spent on automotive design. No one has the time or care for something like that, so I'll try to give a high level answer. Generally speaking, cars are not about simple designs/shapes. They, especially to enthusiasts, are viewed as something closer to art where care is taken to craft s…
+1 to everything you say here, but unfortunately I doubt this will sway anyone who doesn't have similar feelings upon just looking at the thing with their own two eyes.
I can understand the distaste for it, but was specifically curious what it lost in oversimplification. Some of the critique is not about simplification after all but was interesting anyway thanks
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> I wonder if, in 20 years, petrol cars will the preserve of the very rich and the very poor. That's certainly the way it's worked out with horses after petrol cars took over.
We will have some Amish people driving around in petroleum cars, trying to preserve the old days and the old ways.
It won't be Amish, but there'll be for sure people cherishing the old days when cars were simple/fun/different.
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Lexus CT200h is one of the best interiors ever designed. The design language was tactile: every single button or control had a different action or feel. https://cdn-fastly.thetruthaboutcars.com/media/2022/07/20/94... There’s a roughly 7 inch above the vents that flips up whenever the car is off, but using the screen is optional. The screen is up near the road, and it’s very safe to use. There’s a small joystick to mo…
BMWs interior pre-iPad-glued-to-the-dash is of the same quality. The automatic gear shifter is stateless, by it has an extremely satisfying clunk, buttons and dials for everything. Note that a stateless gear shifter isn't ideal if you ever need to move your car on a dead battery. In a BMW you need to go under the car and screw in a bolt that pushes the parking pall into neutral.
> iPad-glued-to-the-dash
Whoever started this trend has a lot to answer for. It looks tacky as hell and is a technically-inferior solution to just having a dock that would let a customer bring their own tablet. It's truly the worst of both worlds and a seemingly pervasive problem across multiple manufacturers in the automotive design space.
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The Porsche Taycan and related Audi e-tron GT are considered basically the best-handling production cars built so far, and these come in at around 2.4 tons or something. They are of course quite low for EVs, barely taller than a 911 iirc.
Even the ridiculous 1019 hp Taycan Turbo GT Weissach edition (a 4-door car with no rear seats, such are the compromises made for the track) at best achieved 7:07.55 around the Nurburgring. A gas 911 GT3 RS with less than half the horsepower laps it in 6:49.3. The 911 by most measures is the slower car (10.9s 1/4 mile vs 9.2s for the Taycan, 184mph top speed vs 190 etc). The difference is the 911s superior handling an…
I don’t think most automotive folks or enthusiasts (apart from the track crowd) would agree that car handling and chassis tuning can be expressed in a lap time, even if it is nordschleife.
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EVs have a weight issue that fundamentally constrains their overall design. It is really a tough engineering problem to try to shave weight off of everything, because you are starting out with a 700kg battery replacing a 400kg engine + transmission, so you are ~300kg in the hole, and need to remove 300 kg from the rest of the car. That's why they do crazy stuff like use the battery as part of the structural frame, to…
Ferrari will sell all that they make. If you want to purchase one of the highly desirable low-volume models you can't just walk into a dealership and write a check. You first have to purchase a few of the high-volume models to earn enough "points" on their internal customer priority list. A lot of rich guys will buy a Luce just for that purpose, and then leave it in their garage or maybe drive it to the country club…
For the type of buyer you describe this vehicle parked in the garage, to speculate, may be capable of doing double duty as an automated battery backup for the estate nearby to store energy during times of excess grid capacity and to discharge during periods of high demand or grid interuptions. I would be interested to know if the vehicle includes this capability, or if it could be easily modified to offer this capability. Probably is preferable to an onsite diesel generator for example even if it is not an exactly comparable situation, just due to lower local emissions.
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ferrari will sell all that they make. If you want to purchase one of the highly desirable low-volume models you can't just walk into a dealership and write a check. You first have to purchase a few of the high-volume models to earn enough "points" on their internal customer priority list. A lot of rich guys will buy a Luce just for that purpose, and then leave it in their garage or maybe drive it to the country club…
For the type of buyer you describe this vehicle parked in the garage, to speculate, may be capable of doing double duty as an automated battery backup for the estate nearby to store energy during times of excess grid capacity and to discharge during periods of high demand or grid interuptions. I would be interested to know if the vehicle includes this capability, or if it could be easily modified to offer this capabi…
You've got to be kidding. The people who can afford multiple luxury cars aren't going to mess around using them as backup batteries just to save a few bucks on generators for their mansions.
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#280Yawn.