So, Andreas killed Heroku, with Coolify?
An Update on Heroku
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Re: An Update on Heroku
#272Heroku's git-push-to-deploy was magic in 2012. Sad to see it go out like this.
I've been building Frost https://github.com/elitan/frost, open source and self-hosted. Same idea, git push to deploy, automatic SSL, custom domains, but on your own VPS. Docker-native, no vendor lock-in, no pricing surprises.
The angle that's a bit different: it's designed for AI coding agents. Simple config they write correctly, clear errors, no K8s complexity to hallucinate. You give your agent the install URL and it sets up the whole server.
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#273Wow, I have to admit that I have not heard anyone in the past 2 years or so to be on Heroku so it makes sense. I think they handled it quite well knowing that there most likely have been a steady decline of users. Generally I would avoid promoting myself but in this situation I think it fits the topic. I'm co-founder of a Platform-as-a-Service based in Europe named Ploi Cloud [0]. We focus on web applications working…
is this linked with Ploi.io?
Separate companies but Dennis (founder of Ploi.io) is the other co-founder, so indirectly linked. :)
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This! It absolutely boggles my mind that nothing else exists to fill this spot. Fly and others offer varying degrees of easier-than-AWS hosting, but nobody offers true PaaS like Heroku, IMHO.
vercel goes a step further, and (when configured this way) allocates a new hostname (eg feature-branch-add-thingg.app.vercel.example.com) for new branches, to make testing even easier.
But their offering is "frontend oriented", what you describe doesn't work for django / laravel / rails / etc, no ?
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If any Heroku customer is reading this and not immediately going "we need to move off Heroku ASAP" all future problems are their own fault.
Honestly if you're still using Heroku today it's because you haven't really caught up with what's going on around you
What's a better offering that makes it easier to push projects in production?
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I was working for Slicehost at the time, we were a tiny team working our butts off in a loft office in downtown St. Louis, with a few remote employees. To my understanding there was a runway-growth problem. Could the founders raise and spend (efficiently) enough money quickly enough to keep the business viable? It would be a big gamble and the alternatives were to shut down (no way!) or sell. So they sold. Rackspace…
All I can say is thank you. I learned to manage servers because of Slicehost and the articles on it back then. I remember being excited by the merger because well, Rackspace had such a fantastic reputation at the time. People still tell stories about their service. The Rackspace Cloud was just up against an absolute monster in AWS and never really became competitive.
Oh those Slicehost articles were excellent. I felt like I could actually do my own sys admin by following them.
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What's the best alternative?
If you like VPS, Hetzner with Dokploy. It works great, the UI has essentially all the features of Fly or Render that you'd use for deployment, like preview build URLs and environments.
Ok so I am researching what to use in this space - a Vercel-ish clone on cheap VPS - and, is Dokploy really the best option?
What do you think about Caprover? https://github.com/caprover/caprover
Or uh.. Dokku https://github.com/dokku/dokku
Right now I am using Coolify but so far it has not been exactly reliable
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#278As somebody whose first day working at Heroku was the day this acquisition closed, I think it’s mostly a misconception to blame Salesforce for Heroku’s stagnation and eventual irrelevance. Salesforce gave Heroku a ton of funding to build out a vision that was way ahead of its time. Docker didn’t even come out until 2013, AWS didn’t even have multiple regions when it was built. They mostly served as an investor and le…
It remains the greatest engineering team I've ever seen or had the pleasure to be a part of. I was only there from early 2011 to mid 2012 but what I took with me changed me as an engineer. The shear brilliance of the ideas and approaches...I was blessed to witness it. I don't think I can overstate it, though many will think this is all hyperbole. I didn't always agree with the decisions made and I was definitely ther…
> by 2012 we were drowning in tech debt and scaling challenges.
> the greatest engineering team I've ever seen
How do these two things reconcile in your opinion? In my view , doing something quickly is the easy part , good engineering is only needed exactly when you want things to be maintainable and scalable, so the assertions above don’t really make much sense to me.
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How does render compare to fly.io? Does anyone has experience running production rails apps on these?
https://render.com/articles/render-vs-fly-io
I find it quite funny that they give themselves maximum marks for transparent pricing. If you go to their pricing page, everything is priced as “per user/month plus compute costs*”. Maybe it’s just because I’m on mobile and the page doesn’t seem to work super well, but reading if I have no idea what those compute costs are and therefore what the actual cost is.