- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…
A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#272Fine article but a very important fact comes in at the end — the author has a human personal assistant. It doesn't fundamentally change anything they wrote, but it shows how far out of the ordinary this person is. They were a Thiel Fellow in 2020 and graduated from Phillips Exeter, roughly the most elite high school in the US.
Yeah, I've found AI 'miracle' use-cases like these are most obvious for wealthy people who stopped doing things for themselves at some point. Typing 'Find me reservations at X restaurant' and getting unformatted text back is way worse than just going to OpenTable and seeing a UI that has been honed for decades. If your old process was texting a human to do the same thing, I can see how Clawdbot seems like a revolutio…
Your conflating the example with the opportunity:
"Cancel Service XXX" where the service is riddled with dark patterns. Giving every one an "assistant" that can do this is a game changer. This is why a lot of people who aren't that deep in tech think open claw is interesting.
> We all learned the lesson that mass-market IT tools almost always outperform in-house
Do they? Because I know a lot of people who have (as an example) terrible setups with sales force that they have to use.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#273- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…
Note that the tendency to feel overwhelmed is rather widespread, particularly among those who need to believe that what they do is of great import, even when it isn't.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#274- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not a lawyer, but if I'm reading the actual regulation [0] correctly, it would only apply in the case of prompt injection or other malicious activity. 1005.2.m defines "Unauthorized electronic fund transfer" as follows: > an electronic fund transfer from a consumer's account initiated by a person other than the consumer without actual authority to initiate the transfer and from which the consumer receives no bene…
Good point. Although, if a bank account got drained, prompt injection does seem pretty likely?
Additionally:
- As has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, it can be difficult to separate out "prompt injection" from "marketing" in some cases.
- Depending on what the vector for the prompt injection is, what model your OpenClaw instance uses, etc. it might not be easy or even possible to determine whether a given transfer was the result of prompt injection or just the bot making a stupid mistake. If the burden of proof is on the consumer to prove that it as prompt injection, this would leave many victims with no way to recover their funds. On the other hand, if banks are required to assume prompt injection unless there's evidence against it, I strongly suspect banks would respond by just banning the use of OpenClaw and similar software with their systems as part of their agreements with their customers. They might well end up doing that regardless.
- Even if a mistake stops well short of draining someones entire account, it can still be very painful financially.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
(Disclaimer: systems software developer with 30+ years experience) I was initially overly optimistic about AI and embraced it fully. I tried using it on multiple projects - and while the initial results were impressive, I quickly burned my fingers as I got it more and more integrated with my workflow. I tried all the things, last year. This year, I'm being a lot more conservative about it. Now .. I don't pay for it -…
This week Adobe decided, out of nowhere, to kill their 2D animation product (Animate, which is based on Flash) to focus on AI. I'm already seeing animators post that Adobe killed their entire career. Although that feels a bit exaggerated, I feel it's not far from the truth. If there were, say, 3 closed source animation software that could do professional animation in total, and they just all decided to just kill the…
This is not about big increases of productivity, this is whole thing about selling dependence on privately controlled, closed source tools. To concentrate even more power in the hands of a very few, morally questionable people.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
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#278I'm still trying to understand what makes this project worthy of like 100K Github stars overnight. What's the secret sauce? Is it just that it has a lot of integrations? Like what makes this so much more successful than the ten thousand other AI agent projects?
It's set up to wake up periodically and work autonomously for you based on the broad instructions it's been given. Compared to the usual coding agent workloads, this makes it a lot more "assistant"-like.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#279- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…
But this is already built-in with gmail/gcalendar. Clawdbot does take it one step further by scraping his texts and WhatsApp messages. Hmmm... I would just configure whatever is sending notifications to send to gmail so I don't need Clawdbot.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#280- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…
This is how I perceive a lot of the AI being rammed down our throats: questionably useful.
I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving. It will be a long time before it's perfect but it's already useful. I also think someone is going to make a Blockbuster quality movie with AI within a couple years and there will be much fretting of the brows rather than seeing the opportunity to improve the tooling here.
But I'll make a more precise prediction for 2026. Through continual learning and other tricks that emerge throughout the year, LLMs will become more personalized with longer memories, continuing to make them even more of a killer consumer product than they already are. I just see too many people conversing with them right now to believe otherwise.