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Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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China doesn't have flip-flopping like this with its attendant massive waste. Instead it has endemic corruption which siphons off funds all over the place, perhaps with the exception of the big projects that command the full attention of central leadership.

One of the reasons why "democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others".

There are countless examples of democracies with endemic corruption. Democracy is not a cure to it.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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That state of affairs is seen as a bug, and is being fixed. [1] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Society That aside: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/21/trump-cou... Edit due to rate-limiting: that makes two of us.

If Trump defies 1 in 3 of the court orders against him, that still means judges successfully stopped him 2 times out of 3. I'm not interested in a discussion where we equivocate between what's true today and worst case scenarios that could become true in the future, sorry.

Yes, this particular court case could end up completely against Trump, that would be better than zero progress when it comes to making energy more affordable.

>raises the possibility that the order halting construction will ultimately be held to be arbitrary and capricious.

But guys like Trump aren't arbitrary or capricious.

There's a pretty good consensus that he would have to be a lot more sensible by nature to reach that level of sophistication.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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posted this at ars forum: (it should be clear I think it was a stupid move by the WH, but I am trying to think what might have "informed" it) Steelmanning the risks, its the link to mainland as a weakness in supply chain of power, compared to onshore sources possibly. But, the construction is in close water, well inside the exclusive economic zone. You would think passage of a craft capable of causing a power shock w…

The pretext for the suspension was radar noise.[1] [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/trump-offshore-wind-...

Wind towers create radar interference but also offshore wind platforms could provide a place for radars further away from the shore.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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> If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? Sadly this is an inherent weakness of the US constitution. It's old and it was written at a time where we didn't have enough experience with democracies. In a modern parliamentary democracy you vote parties which form coalitions and settle on one of the party leaders (in general the one with most votes) as prime min…

> Sadly this is an inherent weakness of the US constitution. It's old and it was written at a time where we didn't have enough experience with democracies. (I'm not even American and I know this) The constitution was meant to be a living document, adjusted over the years as the world changes. But the very opposite happened, it became Holy Scripture, unchanging and never evolving. The whole American system was based o…

It's also interesting how the constitution is only a holy grail when it comes to stuff the particular individual you ask about cares for.

So you end up talking with individuals where "the 2nd amendment says I can have guns, it's in the constitution" and "my favorite president should go for a third term, the 22nd amendment is just a technicality".

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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That could be a problem in itself. It certainly is here in the UK. If you have two parties that have much the same policies you do not get necessary change and voting becomes meaningless.

For that, you need to look to the press. Political parties are mostly relatively small and under-funded huddles of second-rate individuals, who get told what to do by billionaire-owned media. It's interesting how many and varied "minor parties" which are more genuinely grassroots have persisted in the UK despite the difficulty in scrounging up funding from the actual public, and despite FPTP being theoretically stack…

Lots of things.

The US seems to restrict the ability of minor parties to stand for election far more than the UK does. It varies by state but from what I have read you need thousands of signatures just to stand in many states.

FTTP does also favour parties with a geographically concentrated base such as the Scottish and Welsh nationalists and the NI parties. Geographical variations in the US seem mostly to be about which of the two big parties people back.

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One of the reasons why "democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others".

There are countless examples of democracies with endemic corruption. Democracy is not a cure to it.

Its not a cure, but if offers ways in which to cure corruption and allows people to challenge it.

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"Long term" means decades when it comes to energy strategy, major infrastructure initiatives, and decarbonization. Four years is woefully inadequate for strategic planning, you’re operating on a tactical level at best.

There is no reason to do long term projects with public funds. Private companies are not subject to the vagaries of democracy and can plan as long-term as they want.

Uh, okay.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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If these projects ultimately end up canceled they’ll be the largest “mostly done” infrastructure projects to be cancelled. A huge waste. And a monument to US incompetency.

> US incompetency

US corruption.

Incompetence would've been a good news here.

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The US president just today said that Republicans should "nationalize the voting" in future elections.

That sounds like a call to get rid of the electoral college...

It's a call to have his ICE goons (armed to the teeth and trained to escalate to violence of course) operate voting stations because of all of the "illegal" voters and for DHS to administer elections instead of leaving it to the states.

Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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"Long term" means decades when it comes to energy strategy, major infrastructure initiatives, and decarbonization. Four years is woefully inadequate for strategic planning, you’re operating on a tactical level at best.

There is no reason to do long term projects with public funds. Private companies are not subject to the vagaries of democracy and can plan as long-term as they want.

Except funding is not everything that's needed for long term projects. There are other resources - workforce, supply chain integrity, legal entitlements and approvals, etc, that are all contributing to "plannable delivery" of long-term projects. And quite a few of these are very much subject to the vagaries of democracy.

Unless, of course, you assume (the ideal to be) an entirely anarchist business environment where whoever-with-resources can do whatever. Democracy, though, is not that.

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