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Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by simianwords »

Larrikin wrote: post #77
shepherdjerred wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really implying that generative AI doesn't enable things that were not previously possible?

It's actually a fair question. There are software projects I wouldn't have taken on without an LLM. Not because I couldn't make it. But because of the time needed to create it. I could have taken the time to do the math to figure out what the rewards structure is for my Wawa points and compare it to my car's fuel tank to discover I should strictly buy sandwiches and never gas. People have been making nude celebrity p…

What did internet bring?

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by simianwords »

solid_fuel wrote: post #37
seizethecheese wrote: post #5

> There’s an extremely hurtful narrative going around that my product, a revolutionary new technology that exists to scam the elderly and make you distrust anything you see online, is harmful to society The article is certainly interesting as yet another indicator of the backlash against AI, but I must say, “exists to scam the elderly” is totally absurd. I get that this is satire, but satire has to have some basis in…

LLMs are fiction machines. All they can do is hallucinate, and sometimes the hallucinations are useful. That alone rules them out, categorically, from any critical control loop. After you eliminate anything that requires accountability and trustworthiness from the tasks which LLMs may be responsibly used for, the most obvious remaining use-cases are those built around lying: - advertising - astroturfing - other forms…

Extremely exaggerated comment. LLMs dont hallucinate that much. That doesn’t rule them out of any control loop.

I mean, I think you have not put much thought into your theory.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by simianwords »

quantum_state wrote: post #88

Viewed from historical perspective, big tech is really reaping the benefits of the intellectual wealth accumulated over many thousands of years by humanity collectively. This should be recognized to find a better path forward.

Why do you see it as zero sum? I don’t care if big tech is accumulating intellectual wealth. I’m getting good products.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by tim333 »

seizethecheese wrote: post #5

> There’s an extremely hurtful narrative going around that my product, a revolutionary new technology that exists to scam the elderly and make you distrust anything you see online, is harmful to society The article is certainly interesting as yet another indicator of the backlash against AI, but I must say, “exists to scam the elderly” is totally absurd. I get that this is satire, but satire has to have some basis in…

The original the article is spoofing is interviewers asking Huang about the narrative that:

>It's the jobs and employment. Nobody's going to be able to work again. It's God AI is going to solve every problem. It's we shouldn't have open source for XYZ... https://youtu.be/k-xtmISBCNE?t=1436

and he says a "end of the world narrative science fiction narrative" is hurtful.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by mcv »

Larrikin wrote: post #264
pixl97 wrote: post #149

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Can you name one thing a plow enables that wasn't previously possible? This line of thinking is ridiculous.

A plow enables you to till land you couldn't before with your bare hands. The phone let's you talk to someone you couldn't before when shouting can't. ChatGPT let's you... Please complete the sentence without an analogy

...generate piles of low quality content for almost free.

AI is fascinating technology with undoubtedly fantastic applications in the future, but LLMs mostly seem to be doing two things: provide a small speedup for high quality work, and provide a massive speedup to low quality work.

I don't think it's comparable to the plow or the phone in its impact on society, unless that impact will be drowning us in slop.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by soulofmischief »

jacquesm wrote: post #267
soulofmischief wrote: post #258

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We were going to have to reckon with these problems eventually as science and technology inevitably progressed. The problem is the world is plunged in chaos at the moment and being faced with a technology that has the potential to completely and rapidly transform society really isn't helping. Hatred of the technology itself is misplaced, and it is difficult sometimes debating these topics because anti-AI folk conflat…

> Hatred of the technology itself is misplaced I think hatred is the wrong word. Concern is probably a better one and there are many things that are technology and that it is perfectly ok to be concerned about. If you're not somewhat concerned about AI then probably you have not yet thought about the possible futures that can stem from this particular invention and not all of those are good. See also: Atomic bombs, t…

I'm extremely concerned about the implications. We are going to have to restructure a lot of things about society and the software we use.

And like anything else, it will be a tool in the elite's toolbox of oppression. But it will also be a tool in the hands of the people. Unless anti-AI sentiment gets compromised and redirected such that support for limiting access to capable generative models to the State and research facilities.

The hate I am referring to is often more ideological, about the usage of these models from a purity standpoint. That only bad engineers use them, or that their utility is completely overblown, etc. etc.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by sunaookami »

muvlon wrote: post #49
seizethecheese wrote: post #5

> There’s an extremely hurtful narrative going around that my product, a revolutionary new technology that exists to scam the elderly and make you distrust anything you see online, is harmful to society The article is certainly interesting as yet another indicator of the backlash against AI, but I must say, “exists to scam the elderly” is totally absurd. I get that this is satire, but satire has to have some basis in…

The article names a lot of other things that AI is being used for besides scamming the elderly, such as making us distrust everything we see online, generating sexually explicit pictures of women without their consent, stealing all kinds of copyrighted material, driving autonomous killer drones and more generally sucking the joy out of everything. And I think I'm inclined to agree. There are a small amount of things…

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Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by johnnyanmac »

soulofmischief wrote: post #260
johnnyanmac wrote: post #87

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> I also am wearing machine-fabricated clothing and enjoying a host of other products of automation. I'm not really a fan of the "you criticize society yet you participate in it" argument. >I understand that one day this era will be history and society will be as integrated with AI as we are with other transformative technologies. You seem to forget the blood shed over the history that allowed that tech to benefit th…

> I'm not really a fan of the "you criticize society yet you participate in it" argument. Me neither, and I didn't make such an argument. > You seem to forget the blood shed over the history that allowed that tech to benefit the people over just the robber barons. Unimaginable amounts of people died just so we could get a 5 day workweek and minimum wage. What does that have to do with my argument? What about my argum…

>Did you have a point to make or was this just a bunch of wanking?

The way you "debate" is exactly a patt of the problem. You come in deflecting and attacking instead of understanding and clarifying.

You didn't even give me a point to respond to that doesn't derail go way off topic. If you can't see it then I hope someone with more patience can help you out. But no point having a conversation with someone who approaches it like this (against site guidelines Good luck out there.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by weebull »

techblueberry wrote: post #201
seizethecheese wrote: post #5

> There’s an extremely hurtful narrative going around that my product, a revolutionary new technology that exists to scam the elderly and make you distrust anything you see online, is harmful to society The article is certainly interesting as yet another indicator of the backlash against AI, but I must say, “exists to scam the elderly” is totally absurd. I get that this is satire, but satire has to have some basis in…

Porn was enabled by the internet’s but does the internet exist for this purpose? Yes. Yes it does. That is the satire.

> Why you think the net was born? > Porn porn porn

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by jacquesm »

soulofmischief wrote: post #276
jacquesm wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hatred of the technology itself is misplaced I think hatred is the wrong word. Concern is probably a better one and there are many things that are technology and that it is perfectly ok to be concerned about. If you're not somewhat concerned about AI then probably you have not yet thought about the possible futures that can stem from this particular invention and not all of those are good. See also: Atomic bombs, t…

I'm extremely concerned about the implications. We are going to have to restructure a lot of things about society and the software we use. And like anything else, it will be a tool in the elite's toolbox of oppression. But it will also be a tool in the hands of the people. Unless anti-AI sentiment gets compromised and redirected such that support for limiting access to capable generative models to the State and resea…

> We are going to have to restructure a lot of things about society and the software we use.

There is a massive assumption there: that society as such will survive.

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