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Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by dangravell »

jimnotgym wrote: post #82

In the UK, pull the socket front off and look what the wires actually are. I have seen electricians use cat 5 to carry phone lines several times. It is a mixture between having cat5 already in stock, and future proofing I think. If it is cat 5 then just put an RJ45 socket on it. As others have said, you can also try running ethernet on a phone line, you might not get gigabit, but you might get more than what is comin…

Is there a way of testing two points to see if they can communicate with each other before I go to the trouble of wiring to a rj45 endpoint?

I'm not convinced socket A can talk to socket B when, for example, socket B is in an extension, or... or...

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by dangravell »

cjs_ac wrote: post #57

> One peculiar thing from the UK: Internet providers don’t truly offer gigabit internet. They have a range of deals like 30 Mbps – 75 Mbps – 150 Mbps – 300 Mbps – 500 Mbps – 900 Mbps, each one costing a few more pounds per month than the last. This makes the UK simultaneously one of the cheapest and one of the most expensive countries to get Internet. Andrews and Arnold[0] offer gigabit, but I'm not surprised the aut…

Not only do A&A offer good speeds, their customer service is exceptional. There are chat rooms on which engineers and enthusiasts reside and if you phone them you get an engineer.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by quailfarmer »

You don’t need niche hardware to do this, if you’re handy with a soldering iron! You can quite easily modify devices intended for use on AC lines, for any conductor!

http://www.helicopting.de/

I used this to get an Ethernet link to the roof of a building using an old antenna feed line someone had left.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by Havoc »

Nextgrid wrote: post #30
Havoc wrote: post #28

I've been eying the phone sockets too wondering what I can do with them. Think i'll end up running fiber though because internet is 1.6 so gigabit would be a bottleneck. As a side note - it's quite difficult to find white fiber cables. They're all bright colour so that nobody cuts them accidentally but I don't want a pink line running along the walls haha

Here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elfcam®-Fibre-Optic-Multimode-Duple... It is flat and thin enough you can stick it on top of skirting boards/etc with tiny dabs of hot glue.

Neat. Thanks

I had found that brand when I was looking a month ago and it was out of stock everywhere

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by neilwilson »

laurencerowe wrote: post #255
neilwilson wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vat is stupidly complex. Try doing an international conference for example. Not to mention the impact on imports as the OP discovered. Quite why people think tax stays in one place is beyond me - all costs are passed on and tax is no different. Putting the tax on employer NiCS for example would result in roughly the same business collection and payment, but with a significant reduction in administration and the tax g…

A single country's tax policies don't exist in a vacuum. Let's take as an example a new car that costs £36,000 including 20% VAT. If the UK removed VAT and put the cost on employer NICS then British built cars would still cost roughly £36,000 but foreign built cars would now cost £30,000 and what little of the British car industry is left after Brexit quickly ceases to exist as the multinational companies that run th…

Fixed exchange rate thinking I’m afraid. Try it again but with a floating exchange rate - understanding that importers into a currency area pay the local area costs of exporters from that currency area. Reducing the tax thereby means there is more sterling available for exporters to earn.

You will find then that the exchange value is a function of productivity not currency numbers.

Moving VAT to employers NICs will impact those operations that use a lot of labour and few machines. That favours those operations that have higher productivity.

Therefore the physical cost of exports will reduce and the value of imports to the local population increase.

If that reduces the number of exporters then that is of benefit to the nation, as there are more people available to work on domestic production.

With floating exchange rates you don’t need “trade deals”. The exchange rate sorts it all out for you.

Putting rocks in your own harbour is always a silly idea. If other nations play dumping games then you fix that with subsidies not tariffs.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by simoncion »

user5994461 wrote: post #211
simoncion wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wait, but you get 63MB/s down from steam? I usually (but not always) saturate my downlink with Steam downloads... even back when I was a Comcast customer and paying for ~180MB/s (~1500mbit/s) asymmetric service. I believe that I have noticed that smaller games (~a few hundred MB or maybe a GB or two) will download quite a bit slower than large games, but I'm not very confident in that observation.

> I believe that I have noticed that smaller games (~a few hundred MB or maybe a GB or two) will download quite a bit slower than large games, but I'm not very confident in that observation. You can see that on the HellDivers screenshot, it takes 20 seconds to reach 500 Mbps, because TCP takes a while to adjust the bandwidth and is very conservative. TCP and home computers are not designed to make use of gigabit conn…

> ...it takes 20 seconds to reach 500 Mbps, because TCP takes a while to adjust the bandwidth and is very conservative. TCP and home computers are not designed to make use of gigabit connections.

I very much doubt that that is an artifact of TCP. I can go from nothing to 10gbit/s symmetric in 100->200ms when running Iperf3 over TCP against another one of my LAN hosts.

And, back when I had a 1.5gbit/s Internet downlink, it took far, far less than 20 seconds to reach > 500mbps for big Steam downloads and other such well-provisioned things.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by hnlmorg »

user5994461 wrote: post #208
hnlmorg wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a similar age and have also lived in a few houses over the years. I’ve never lived in any place that didn’t have more than one phone socket. Though I have noticed multiple sockets are less common in really old houses which haven’t seen much modernisation, and less common in really new ones too (since builders expect most people will just use the master socket for broadband and people use mobiles for calls).

Old houses should have 1 extra socket in the master bedroom at the very least, because the master of the house was expected to plug a phone in there, back in the days. (my parents and grandparents all have one). Incidentally, this is likely to be the furthest room on the furthest floor, so it can be a good place to add a wifi access point for coverage.

Depends on what you class as “old”. Remember that a great many British homes are 50+ years old. You certainly wouldn’t have considered having multiple phones in a house when they were built. So the extra socket was added after it was built.

Adding extension sockets was a very easy job. So easy that many homeowners did it themselves.

So it’s very likely your parents and grandparents bedroom phone wasn’t part of the original wiring.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by laurencerowe »

neilwilson wrote: post #276
laurencerowe wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A single country's tax policies don't exist in a vacuum. Let's take as an example a new car that costs £36,000 including 20% VAT. If the UK removed VAT and put the cost on employer NICS then British built cars would still cost roughly £36,000 but foreign built cars would now cost £30,000 and what little of the British car industry is left after Brexit quickly ceases to exist as the multinational companies that run th…

Fixed exchange rate thinking I’m afraid. Try it again but with a floating exchange rate - understanding that importers into a currency area pay the local area costs of exporters from that currency area. Reducing the tax thereby means there is more sterling available for exporters to earn. You will find then that the exchange value is a function of productivity not currency numbers. Moving VAT to employers NICs will i…

There is no more sterling available because the tax burden has just been shifted from VAT to employer NICs.

Re: Doing gigabit Ethernet over my British phone wires

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Post by spawnbsd »

josephernest wrote: post #266

In France (and probably everywhere) there is currently massive deployment of FTTH (fiber to the home) and removal of copper lines, since a decade. Does this mean we could have kept the good old copper lines from 60 years ago and still enjoy 1 Gbit internet in residential areas?

Yes, yes it does.
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