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Does this mean 2.4 million peoples personal drinking and cleaning use in a typical residential area? Or are they including all the industrial water use those people contribute to by existing? That then includes industrial agriculture, and all industrial water use that enables modern life. I suspect they mean only the first one, which is at least misleading, and at worst a lie intended to deceive.
Why would anyone be speaking in terms of the latter and not the former? Come on.
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Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years
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Guess again which nation I'm from. Of course, it is easier to blame some Big Bad Wolf, when one wants to hide the skeletons in the closet. So you do you. California couple Fined $500 for brown lawn.. in a drought: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lX3UIZxzJL0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Aqueduct Read the last line: [The impact of the Los Angeles Aqueduct Project to the Owens Valley region was immediate and…
Cadillac Desert is the usual recommendation on how f'd water deals are in the West, the Owens Valley landgrab is merely the opening chapter. No argument there. It's the urban/rural division subtext of the brown lawns and the economically-infeasible desal techno-saviorism that comes off a bit russian botish. The big scale in water politics is in the colorado river compact and how water rights are bought up by foreign…
But when drought hits any corner of my nation, the rich and poor folks alike take extra efforts to conserve water. It is rare to see excess public wastage of water during drought.
Perhaps it is because some parts of this ancient land is already permanently aridified into desert long ago, and the rains can be erratic even during non-drought years. So people have learnt to respect water to a good extent.
To put it into perspective, the vast Sahara desert was once a lush rainforest. Cutting down the jungle trees and mismanagement of water resources by humans, is what turned into a forbidding barren desert.
So it is certainly shocking to see one of the richest lands in the world (which can certainly throw enough money at almost any civic problem), wasting water, especially during drought. And it is shocking and infuriating to see people with common sense (who are conserving water during drought) being punished by the state for doing so.
> The big scale in water politics is in the colorado river compact and how water rights are bought up by foreign alfalfa farmers to effectively ship water overseas.
Wait, what? California owned water is being shipped overseas?!! Even during drought?
I really don't know how to respond to such madness. All I can say such a crime (although , I have a feeling this is somehow legal) should be considered like a felony at the very least.
I heard California got a good governor. While other states have been de-funding public schools and suspensing school launches for the poor kids, he is ensuring the opposite, so such compassion will help to school and grow the new generations to be better contributors to society and nation. Maybe you Californians ought to do some mass-signatures campaign writing to him and other officials, urging them to reform the unethical historical laws and corrupt policies on water rights.
Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years
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> In other arid areas, people use terracing on hills so the water runoff is slowed and the water can soak into the aquifers. Also, dikes are built around fields to hold the water and also let it soak into the ground. > Are these done in California? People terrace where the only arable land is in hills or mountains. The vast majority of California's farmland is flat as a board. California's central valley also has one…
I infer they aren't bulldozing a dike around the flat farmland to prevent runoff and allow the water to soak into the ground. This will also reduce flooding from overloading the rivers with water.
Earthen dikes and berms are a common feature around farmland in California.
Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years
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This might be a good time to recommend you all read the first 5 pages of East of Eden by George Steinbeck. It’s about how the Salinas valley goes through flood and draught cycles, and how every time they’re in one cycle they forget the other one ever happened
*John?
Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years
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> as if a glass of water makes any difference Just FTR, it's not a single glass of water, it's n glasses of water per day multiplied by some number of days and some number of restaurants So, more likely, 2 or 3 glasses of water :-)
No, the amount of water conserved through these measures was absolutely meaningless even at scale. You are talking about a fraction of a fraction of a percent of use.
The food in your plate consumes far more water than a glass of water. If anything, more water and less food eaten would be a good water conservation measure.
Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years
#276If only we built reservoirs to keep the water for the drought years it would be great news.
The problem isn't storage capacity. It's wasteful consumption growing water-intensive crops in the desert.
Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years
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There are companies that do cloud seeding: https://www.rainmaker.com/ >Though cloud seeding has been in use around the world for 80 years, we recognize that people have valid questions about how the technology works. Nothing tinfoil about it.
Thank you. Every time I talk about cloud seeding in CA people have a strongly negative response without any facts and I'm not really sure why
The conspiracy theories often imagine cloud seeding as some weather control superweapon that can create catastrophic floods or droughts. In reality, you're just giving water droplets or ice crystals something to condense around (usually silver iodide particles). You're working with what nature has already provided and you can't conjure storms from nothing or dramatically amplify them.
But hey, maybe it's better limit your knowledge about a subject to just its name. It enables you to be afraid of things you don't understand. Some people crave that feeling.
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California leads in the value of goods sold, because it produces a lot of relatively expensive agricultural products like almonds, avocados, tomatoes, etc. Additionally, it’s a larger state, so it naturally will inflate the totals. If you look at food staples, and at the amount produced by square mile, the Midwest is definitely the main food producer of the US.
A 1 square mile state that produced nothing but wheat would beat any other state in terms of “amount of staples produced per square mile,” but it wouldn’t be able to sustain a population. That’s not a useful metric.
And it’s even dumber to assess the importance to the nations food supply based on dollar values. California makes a lot of money off of almonds and avocados, which are high priced luxury foods. Of course it will have high revenues attached to it. That doesn’t make it more important to the nation’s food supply than states that produce the staple foods of wheat, corn, beans, chicken, and beef.
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Perhaps GP is thinking of last winter?
Heavy rain is usually very localized. I live in Norcal and I've seen many situations where we were getting hammered with multiple inches an hour while a few dozen miles away it wasn't raining at all, and vice versa. So even in a wet year whether your neighborhood gets slammed is a crap shoot.
Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years
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Thank you. Every time I talk about cloud seeding in CA people have a strongly negative response without any facts and I'm not really sure why
Well, where are your facts? Did you contact them to find out what they can and cannot do? The conspiracy theories often imagine cloud seeding as some weather control superweapon that can create catastrophic floods or droughts. In reality, you're just giving water droplets or ice crystals something to condense around (usually silver iodide particles). You're working with what nature has already provided and you can't…
Most of the usable water supply annually in CA comes from the snow pack in the Sierra Nevada mountains.
This is also where the largest cloud seeding operations are.
People who claim cloud seeding ops only make a small impact on the usable water supply don’t understand that a small percentage shift in snowpack makes a difference between a drought and not a drought.
What I’m saying is that estimations of total cloud seeding water impact do align with the numbers needed to take the state out of a drought.
As I linked elsewhere there have been lawsuits in the past over cloud seeding causing floods.