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Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Post by feb012025 »

oldandboring wrote: post #261
feb012025 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In none of those conflicts you mentioned does the US act as the main benefactor to the side causing excessive suffering. And in none of those conflicts do they lobby aggressively for the support of US politicians. Considering that reality, does it not make sense that Americans would be more vocal when it comes to this conflict, because we actually have agency to affect it? I genuinely want to know what your response…

> In none of those conflicts you mentioned does the US act as the main benefactor to the side causing excessive suffering. The United States is far and away the Saudis' most important and pivotal ally. We almost single-handedly ensure their security and and diplomatic standing. Now, many believe the "side causing excessive suffering" in that conflict is actually the Houthis. I would be interested to know if you fall…

I think the impression most people have is that the United States is no longer dependent on Saudi oil. The main reason we're their most pivotal ally is to encourage normalization with Israel, and to make sure they help counter Iran. So kind of the same root cause.

Beyond that, the Houthi / Saudi conflict is a lot less asymmetric, which I think plays a factor in people's response to it. The Houthis have more territorial control, weapons, agency. It's closer to a state-state war. Gaza is quite literally boxed in--air, sea and land.

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Post by kelipso »

skandinaff wrote: post #242
kennykartman wrote: post #239

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Playing a bit the devil's advocate here, but > This is why all of those "national great firewalls" shouldn't exist in the first place This is a kind of colonialist thinking that is, IMO, a problem in the western society. There are indeed drawbacks in a lack of freedom, but assuming that a government should not be able to filter the content diffused to the population is wrong in principle. You don't get to choose what…

But wouldn't the position of a strong government be to trust it's people, and allow them to see the whole spectrum of information available in the world, and give them essentially the right to decide what's "right or wrong"? I don't see how being free from any information filtering on behalf of some benevolent leader is USA-centric?

I don’t think it can be disputed that there is a lot of propaganda and misinformation in the internet.

One logical conclusion to this would be to protect people from that via censorship.

Many recent examples of the US doing this as well (Covid, Russia, etc.). Of course, the US delegates this to its cooperations, so it can publicly say its hands are clean.

People do remember the Twitter files though, and the US government has massive spying and monitoring capabilities, so its hands are not actually all that clean.

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Post by woodruffw »

scottyah wrote: post #263
woodruffw wrote: post #146

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“Former” is operative. I don’t see any reason to believe that Pompeo has special insider knowledge here, and sharing it makes zero sense even if he did. The more parsimonious explanation is that he’s a sidelined grifter whose only way to stay relevant is to speculate on social media.

After reading Walter Isaacson's biography of US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, I would be extremely surprised to find that a former Secretary of State was suddenly out of the loop on major events.

Henry Kissinger was a notorious power broker, and basically remained "in the loop" until the day he died. Pompeo is neither of these things.

But there's an even simpler way to reach this conclusion: given everything you and I know about Pompeo's politics, is there any reason to believe he'd want to introduce doubt about the legitimacy of popular protest in Iran?

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Post by smsm42 »

kennykartman wrote: post #269
ushtaritk421 wrote: post #247

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Yes, as an American I think that all forms of government that are not liberal democracy basically are illegitimate. We can have relationships of convenience with other governments, but it should be known by such governments somewhere in the back of their minds that we would prefer to see them replaced by a liberal democracy. The Iranian state has not shown itself to be one that is very convenient for us to temporaril…

The US democracy is quite weird, though, because it's IMHO quite far from the people: billionaires can influence the outcomes of elections by steering the votes where the most paying candidate (or the most knowledgeable, or someone else with other skills) desires. This is not something that people can influence easily, so I find hard to believe that a government is legitimate just by the label on the packaging. I won…

Billionaires can do this in any country. In US, the difference is other billionaires than the rulers of the country are allowed to exist.

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Post by smsm42 »

These things must be big, stationary and likely very sparsely manned (if anything, they must emit a lot of energy which is not healthy). If there ever were some good targets for a surgical application of some B-2s...

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Post by smsm42 »

tim-tday wrote: post #268
falaki wrote: post #259

Some personal observations as I am in touch with a few folks inside Iran through Starlink. 1. The jamming/disruption is local to large cities most notably the capital, Tehran. 2. Even in Tehran it is not complete and my friends are able to send and receive messages. Uploading videos is harder. 3. The regime is now raiding homes that they suspect have Starlink terminals. I don't know how they identify them but I do wo…

If you have the ability to jam a signal you have the ability to triangulate the source of a signal.

How it's related? Jamming is just drowning signal in noise, how does it help locating the source of the signal?

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Post by oldandboring »

feb012025 wrote: post #271
oldandboring wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In none of those conflicts you mentioned does the US act as the main benefactor to the side causing excessive suffering. The United States is far and away the Saudis' most important and pivotal ally. We almost single-handedly ensure their security and and diplomatic standing. Now, many believe the "side causing excessive suffering" in that conflict is actually the Houthis. I would be interested to know if you fall…

I think the impression most people have is that the United States is no longer dependent on Saudi oil. The main reason we're their most pivotal ally is to encourage normalization with Israel, and to make sure they help counter Iran. So kind of the same root cause. Beyond that, the Houthi / Saudi conflict is a lot less asymmetric, which I think plays a factor in people's response to it. The Houthis have more territori…

Respectfully, you're making things up and adding the words "I think the impression most people have". That's motivated reasoning.

If you're actually interested in the geopolitics of this I suggest you just spend some time tonight reading about these relationships and their history.

Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Post by [deleted] »

oldandboring wrote: post #278
feb012025 wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the impression most people have is that the United States is no longer dependent on Saudi oil. The main reason we're their most pivotal ally is to encourage normalization with Israel, and to make sure they help counter Iran. So kind of the same root cause. Beyond that, the Houthi / Saudi conflict is a lot less asymmetric, which I think plays a factor in people's response to it. The Houthis have more territori…

Respectfully, you're making things up and adding the words "I think the impression most people have". That's motivated reasoning. If you're actually interested in the geopolitics of this I suggest you just spend some time tonight reading about these relationships and their history.

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Re: Iran is likely jamming Starlink

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Post by [deleted] »

oldandboring wrote: post #278
feb012025 wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the impression most people have is that the United States is no longer dependent on Saudi oil. The main reason we're their most pivotal ally is to encourage normalization with Israel, and to make sure they help counter Iran. So kind of the same root cause. Beyond that, the Houthi / Saudi conflict is a lot less asymmetric, which I think plays a factor in people's response to it. The Houthis have more territori…

Respectfully, you're making things up and adding the words "I think the impression most people have". That's motivated reasoning. If you're actually interested in the geopolitics of this I suggest you just spend some time tonight reading about these relationships and their history.

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