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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by tartoran »

duskdozer wrote: post #35
mapontosevenths wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time this subject came up someone in the thread jumped up to explain to me how Windows 11 has all these great new features that make it worth being many times less performant. Every feature they listed was some anti-consumer thing that only a corporate customer would ever care about or want. Every single one. What I learned is that Windows 11 is great for the customer, I'm just not the customer. I'm just the…

Hm, I asked Copilot and it told me everything you said was a nasty, nasty lie.

Let's not even go there. Copilot is .. just bad. I'm not surprised though.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by hulitu »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117
steve1977 wrote: post #101

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macOS has Cocoa since 2000, which is still useable, and SwiftUI since a few years. No comparison to the mess of UI toolkits on Windows.

And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

> Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified.

Did _you_ tried ? Because i hear this mantra a lot on HN, but my experience is different. MDK ( the game) cannot _run_ on a current Windows.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by majkinetor »

jl6 wrote: post #172

Ah, an opportunity to call upon Hacker News, tech support of last resort… Someone please tell me if there’s a trick to making the Windows snipping tool faster. I press Win+Shift+S to activate the tool for capturing a region. It takes about 2 seconds to load. I draw the rectangle. Then it takes about 2 seconds to finish capturing. That is 4 infuriating seconds for something that should be (and I’m sure used to be!) vi…

Try flameshot

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by runako »

api wrote: post #83
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

This is directionally not totally off-base, but:

> it's hard to hire native UI developers

This is the pool of mobile devs. If Microsoft is unwilling to eat the lead time (measured in weeks) for an existing native mobile dev to become productive on their stack, that's a sign of much bigger organizational problems.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by majkinetor »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #168

The other day I got tired of using mRemoteNG for RDP it takes ages to start up. So I went back to Microsoft's own RDP client - they deprecated it and now only support the new Windows App but you need to login with your corporate email and it does not even support RDP but Azure !!!!. You need to go to the stone age and use the RDP client they shipped with Windows NT 4.0. Say what you want about Balmer but Satya is now…

Try 1remote

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by baal80spam »

SilasX wrote: post #51
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

This. It was infuriating to find Notepad got updated to a bloated app with rich text and Copilot. It's so different, it just should have been another program. The whole reason I use Notepad is because it's a simple, dumb, fast, predictable program. If I wanted the rich text, I would use any of the numerous other options! And for the kicker, the update made it forget my font settings.

I recommend https://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html - it's even snappier than Notepad++

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by MonkeyClub »

halapro wrote: post #140

With so many good OSes nowadays, why is anyone still on Windows? Seriously. Unless you need custom hardware or software worth thousands of dollars, I bet it's easier to switch to one of the 4+ other major platforms.

Counting Windows, macOS, and Linux, I reach up to 3. Which are the other two major desktop-ready OSs you have in mind?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Rohansi »

da_grift_shift wrote: post #198
Rohansi wrote: post #193

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But Notepad is not web based? It's still a native app but now uses UWP instead.

UWP, one of the 10+ frameworks used to run Windows 11's system components. Wonderful! Exemplary! https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/o2a0kp/there_are...

Those are design languages/styles, not frameworks. There is a fewer number of frameworks but it's still a handful. Win32, WPF, UWP, MAUI, etc... but at least they're fairly consistent at using UWP for system UI, with older bits using Win32 still.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dmitrygr »

spwa4 wrote: post #255
dmitrygr wrote: post #135

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I still use a copy of Calc.EXE from Windows 2000 that I just move from machine to machine. It stopped being useful after that. That old one is nice. Hex mode. Starts quickly.

I have a derive.exe from 1996 that I still use. TI's calculator, as an incredibly fast windows app that's like 20% of wolframalpha. And to think on all "modern" OSes you can't even do that. Neither Android nor IOS let you do this in any way shape or form. Even with portable webapps it doesn't work, as webapps go offline. And microsoft clearly wants to create this situation too (last brute force attempt was windows ho…

https://dmitry.gr/89

you can also "add to homescreen" on iOS/android and it acts like a native app & works offline. symbolic math - computer algebra system, integration/differentiation, finance app in rom, 3d graphs.

(emu is not my work, i only packaged it for PWA and host it for myself to use, but you are welcome to as well)

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by MonkeyClub »

jl6 wrote: post #172

Ah, an opportunity to call upon Hacker News, tech support of last resort… Someone please tell me if there’s a trick to making the Windows snipping tool faster. I press Win+Shift+S to activate the tool for capturing a region. It takes about 2 seconds to load. I draw the rectangle. Then it takes about 2 seconds to finish capturing. That is 4 infuriating seconds for something that should be (and I’m sure used to be!) vi…

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