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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by OptionOfT »

rconti wrote: post #231
tanjtanjtanj wrote: post #180

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The best part about the F-150 is that it isn't even toddlers at that point. The most common F-150 variant I see in my area's hood goes up to my shoulder and I'm 2 meters tall. You often see the very important people driving these working their way through crowded parking lots and places that are primarily foot traffic with a "Wtach out for ME!" driving style.

Yep, the hoods are higher than my wife's head.

My wife: 5'5": https://imgur.com/a/CVFDb0D

Not to mention the amount of stones they kick up. In AZ if your truck has a suspension lift, you're supposed to have mudflaps. But that law (and many other vehicle laws) is not enforced.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by loeg »

hn8726 wrote: post #218
jeron wrote: post #208

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I'm probably one of the few people in this thread who are actually truck shopping right now The ranger is a great option for most people but one of my capabilities for the truck is to bring my bike to motorcycle track days. Usually I'd only take a single motorcycle, however track days are more fun with friends. to fit two motorcycles in the back of the Ranger, you need to adjust the angle of the handlebars awkwardly…

> to fit two motorcycles in the back of the Ranger, you need to adjust the angle of the handlebars awkwardly to fit both on the bed. can't you position one bike facing forward and one facing back, so the handlebars don't collide? Either way, going with an absurdly big and dangerous car to avoid _awkwardly positioning_ some cargo is pretty American thing to do

It's much easier to load motorcycles pointing forwards, just because you have to get them up a ramp into the bed. In the forward direction, you can use their engine to get up the hill.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by imbecilidiot »

thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by nine_k »

conductr wrote: post #253
Fiveplus wrote: post #12

The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I still see these running in rural Spain and France, usually held together with wire and hope, clocking like what 400k+ km? The XUD diesel engines are practically unkillable. They have no ECU to brick, no adblue sensors to fail and put the car into limp mode and thankfully none of those DRM locked…

This. I think the entire argument and comparison is a fallacy because you can't just compare vehicles on utilitarian factors when many (most?) people are buying primarily based on fashion/aesthetics. Through my American eyes that C15 is dog shit ugly and I don't even care to read through how it measures up on utility because it's style is already a dealbreaker. Personally-I know I don't need a big truck, and don't ha…

I noticed that people often treat cars as they treat clothes. It's their largest and most expensive costumes.

This means that fashion and looks start to play a major role, utility be damned. This also means that relatively minor details, like the exact shape of headlights, become a major stylistic and thus market niche differentiator.

I don't think it's a new problem with cars. But it maybe relatively new in the utility / light truck space.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by beezle »

haunter wrote: post #252

>prove that men who buy SUVs and Pick-Ups are, with very few exceptions, compensating for something ;) What does that mean? The thread just repeating this compensating thing but not sure what does it try to say really. Also most women I know drive SUVs or family vans not compact cars. Are they compensating for something?

I don't know if it is some much 'compensating' as it is a "look at my toy" showing off type of thing which isn't really directed at women. When I drive around metro areas it is pretty clear that the large majority of trucks are "house" trucks - they are never used for truck things. They are washed, waxed with nice shiny black tires.

Don't get me wrong - if you got the dough, by all means drive what you want. But most truck owners could get by with something else just as well.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by big_toast »

kstrauser wrote: post #225
jeron wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm probably one of the few people in this thread who are actually truck shopping right now The ranger is a great option for most people but one of my capabilities for the truck is to bring my bike to motorcycle track days. Usually I'd only take a single motorcycle, however track days are more fun with friends. to fit two motorcycles in the back of the Ranger, you need to adjust the angle of the handlebars awkwardly…

So, the normal size truck actually carries the things you want to transport, if you move their handlebars. You’d pay an extra $7000 because… you don’t like to pack?

Isn't that generally the case, convenience? 20% to 50% extra in price to handle edge cases and unknown unknowns seems pretty cheap. That's like, $100/month to $200/month for a lot of extra flexibility in the US.

As someone unsympathetic to big vehicles in urban areas, and probably most suburban areas, the challenge as always is figuring out how to re-internalize externalized costs.

Or I guess reduce externalized costs. (Additional safety features? Increased road wear tax? Vehicle size class limitations on certain roads or lots?)

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by loeg »

jeron wrote: post #208
kube-system wrote: post #157

> The Ford Ranger (2020). One of the most popular pickups in the US. A key selling point is that the cabin is so high you can run over toddlers without even noticing. The craziest thing about this criticism is that it is phrased as hyperbole but the reality is that this is seen as a small truck in the US. The Ford Ranger actually is the best selling pickup truck in Europe for 10 straight years, but doesn’t sell as mu…

I'm probably one of the few people in this thread who are actually truck shopping right now The ranger is a great option for most people but one of my capabilities for the truck is to bring my bike to motorcycle track days. Usually I'd only take a single motorcycle, however track days are more fun with friends. to fit two motorcycles in the back of the Ranger, you need to adjust the angle of the handlebars awkwardly…

A lot of commenters saying you "need" a trailer (instead of an F150), but another option would be one bike in the bed and the second bike (if needed) on a hitch-mounted rack. A hitch rack takes less space to store when you're not using it than a full trailer. It would probably be more annoying to load and unload than just putting two bikes in the bed.

Anyway, if you want an F150, get it -- I don't really care.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by boobsbr »

isodev wrote: post #141
eeeficus wrote: post #125

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French fries is not a french invention AFAIK but belgian!

Yup, French fries are Belgian. Also - it's important to cook them twice, otherwise it's just McDonalds and not real French fries.

Met ossenwit.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jonasdegendt »

dizhn wrote: post #121
dgacmu wrote: post #63

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ESC (electronic stability control) didn't become common until about 2010 to 2015. It makes a really big difference for safety -- EU estimates are that it's saved more than 15,000 lives. Let's backport that one too. :)

I bought my first real wheel drive car in 2014. Still have it. It's not a race car. About 170hp. It struggles at the smallest curves. Good thing it has traction control and esp. Except all the front wheel cars I had before, one even slightly more powerful and smaller, never needed any of that. Never ever buying a rwd again. (Enthusiast forums of the brand tell me I don't know how to drive RWD. Skill issue. :D)

You should look into different tires perhaps.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jfengel »

cuu508 wrote: post #194
jfengel wrote: post #147

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Incidentally, you're describing my 2020 Subaru Impreza. Under $20k for my dealer demo. I do wish it supported a later version of Android Auto so that I could run that via Bluetooth. (It does have regular Bluetooth but that's just audio.)

Were they sold with an option to have have no OEM infotainment? Just speakers and a phone mount?

I don't think it has any OEM infotainment. I think there is some kind of software in there but I've never looked at it. It's not intrusive.
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