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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by xethos »

8note wrote: post #209
drnick1 wrote: post #47

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Do not use devices that can be trivially tracked through the cell network, or that can be surveilled by big tech. This means a device bought anonymously, a free/libre OS like Graphene, no Google/Facebook/Apple spyware apps, and an anonymous SIM paid for with cash or crypto. This should be done by everyone to avoid the possibility of mass surveillance, not only people who have something to hide from a three-letter age…

> a device bought anonymously > an anonymous SIM paid for with cash or crypto i think these already have you screwed. that anonymity is going to be superficial at best. you will be recorded making these purchases, and tracked to your identity

Then you're going to take it home for >8 hours per day, and to your job several hours per day, and likely call at least one or two of your important contacts. At which point that's the ball game - the pool of people that live in the immediate vicinity of your building, and work in the immediate vicinity of your job site, and call your partner / parents / kid, is made up of pretty well exclusively you

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Post by RickJWagner »

hypeatei wrote: post #269
RickJWagner wrote: post #224

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We live in different worlds, friend. Please know there are people across the aisle that view it differently. When things calm down, talk with them and learn. Nobody wins when we insist the world is only as we alone view it.

> talk with them and learn No. Democrats always take the high road and what has that gotten them? A fascist regime and a political movement (MAGA) that floods the zone with bullshit when the gestapo does something bad. Republicans stormed the capitol, killed police officers, and delayed the election process. What happened to them? Some lackeys got put in jail, and no one at the top faced consequences. Trump then pard…

Read these. Were you this upset when Obama was using ICE? If not, why?

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...

https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/violation-constituti...

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/exiled-obama-adm...

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by RickJWagner »

thrance wrote: post #234
RickJWagner wrote: post #224

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We live in different worlds, friend. Please know there are people across the aisle that view it differently. When things calm down, talk with them and learn. Nobody wins when we insist the world is only as we alone view it.

I talked to these people minutes ago, on the thread about the murder. Trumpists are finding ways to rationalize this assassination. Just like they did Jan 6, the bombings of fishing boats near Venezuela, the other exactions ICE committed, Trump being Epstein's closest friend, etc. Then I listened to the Vice President claiming she was an "unhinged left-wing lunatic", that she had been radicalized and that she was try…

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Post by antonvs »

UncleMeat wrote: post #257
antonvs wrote: post #233

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Trying and punishing members of the Trump administration for their crimes is not the same as sending people to concentration camps for having a color of skin that Miller hates. It is not insightful to say "oh isn't this the same thing that the fascists are doing." It is anti-insight .

> Trying and punishing members of the Trump administration for their crimes is not the same...

Do you really believe that's being "vindictive", though? If so, why?

That's a big part of the problem: people characterize following the law as being "vindictive", and comparable to actual vindictiveness. It's a big part of why the Democrats have been so unwilling to hold anyone to account.

> It is not insightful to say "oh isn't this the same thing that the fascists are doing."

Wanting vindictiveness is absolutely the same thing the fascists are doing. Part of what I'm pointing out is that we should characterize the actions that are needed in a more rational way.

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Post by [deleted] »

icameron wrote: post #20

When I first heard the advice to ditch your phone when you go a protest, I thought maybe that's a little extreme. But it's a real threat. We already knew post Snowden there is an extensive big brother apparatus. We saw post 911 that all rights can be taken away in the name of counter-terrorism. Now with a government that's operating outside the law and labeling peaceful protesters as terrorists, I don't think we can…

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

muwtyhg wrote: post #220
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #136

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There’s millions of people who have been dealing with this daily for the last few decades. The sim swap networks and VPN/TOR users across the world live like this. When I was in Iraq it was basically expected that all of your communications are totally pwnd, if you live in China you’re totally pwnd. Cell trackers like described in the article have been in use for the last 15 years by police and law-enforcement inside…

> why you think its eerie? You typed out how awful the situation is, and how you cannot trust anything, and then ask why it's eerie? I feel like you answered your own question before you even asked it.

It’s only eerie if it isn’t common

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Post by panja »

RickJWagner wrote: post #218
i80and wrote: post #29

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A decade ago I put this stance into my LinkedIn profile tag line, and was a little surprised how many engineers reached out to praise that decision. I think it's rapidly, finally , entering the realm of political viability.

So you did it when Obama ( and the current ICE management ) were handling deportations?

He did say 10 years ago so...

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Post by embedding-shape »

baggy_trough wrote: post #249
embedding-shape wrote: post #229

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> I mean, who else is using a pager in Lebanon? But they can impossibly actually know who physically has the pager next to them, when they're triggering them. This is the "failing to verify each target" part.

That's not a very realistic standard for a wartime covert operation.

Maybe that's the wrong way to think about it? Maybe these "wartime covert operations" need to read up on Human Rights and figure out a way to work within it?

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Post by Teever »

potato3732842 wrote: post #131
noncoml wrote: post #83

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This shows how flawed the idea is that individual gun ownership protects people from a rogue government. Acting alone with a firearm does not stop tyranny. It only leads to prison or worse. Real resistance to authoritarianism has never come from isolated individuals using violence. It requires organized collective action where people stand together and refuse to comply. History shows that meaningful resistance often…

Having the capacity to do credibly threaten violence back acts as a check on abuse because nobody will stand for cops occasionally getting clapped over stuff they should never have been doing in the first place. Look at how cops roll up on "is armed because you can't not be at his level" drug criminals. There's reconnaissance, preparation, checklists, etc, etc. Yes, there are exceptions, but it's generally orders of…

I've had similar thoughts for a while now.

As it is between the guns, radios, helicopters, and digital surveillance crrupt members of law enforcement knows that reprisal against their corruption by the general public is difficult if not impossible.

The second someone uses a drone to take out a blatently corrupt cop who received a paid vacation as punishment for murder the dynamic will change completely.

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