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ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by kouteiheika »

trollbridge wrote: post #18
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

This sounds like excellent evidentiary material for a future insurer or government health provider to decide you're uninsurable, not eligible for a job, and so on. And the great thing about it is that you already signed all your rights away for them to do this exact thing , when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private.

> when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private

But we can have that? If you have powerful enough hardware you can do it, right now. At very least until the anti-AI people get their way and either make the models' creators liable for what the models say or get rid of the "training is fair use" thing everyone depends on, in which case, sure, you'll have to kiss legal open-weight models goodbye.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by oars »

Fascinating article.

Data security will be another important factor in whether we should choose our private health information with these third parties or not.

Manage My Health in NZ was hacked earlier this week: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/583417/who-are-the-hacke...

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by EagnaIonat »

hackitup7 wrote: post #260
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

I've had a similar positive experience and I'm really surprised at the cynicism here. You have a system that is good at reading tons of literature and synthesizing it, which then applies basic logic. What exactly do the cynics think that doctors do? I don't use LLMs as the final say, but I do find them pretty useful as a positive filter / quick gut check.

This is the crux of the argument from the article.

> get to know your members even before the first claim

Basically selling your data to maximise profits from you and ensure companies don't take on a burden.

You are also not protected by HIPAA using ChatGPT.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by xigoi »

matt3D wrote: post #179
trollbridge wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like excellent evidentiary material for a future insurer or government health provider to decide you're uninsurable, not eligible for a job, and so on. And the great thing about it is that you already signed all your rights away for them to do this exact thing , when we could have had an open world with open models run locally instead where you got to keep your private health information private.

These strawman arguments lack nuance. If the person can use AI to lead a noticeably better life, something that may have been impossible previously due to economic circumstance, then the first order benefits outweigh the second order drawbacks. I’m not disputing what you’re saying, I just think that treating it like a zero sum game every time the conversation comes up is showing an immense amount of privilege. You, m…

If the tool that allows you to have a “noticeably better life” is heavily subsidized by venture capital, you have turned yourself into a ticking bomb.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by xigoi »

Terr_ wrote: post #239
alpinisme wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some respects, the ideal world is one in which everyone’s premiums are tied to a free and easy Apple Watch-like device that silently tracks exercise, blood sugar at a frequency that can tell when you ate a big dessert, air quality (and the presence of smoke or pollution), blood alcohol content, whether you are in speeding cars, whether you are participating in dangerous sports, etc. Such a system would directly co…

There's a similar phenomenon when people grouse about paying taxes for "roads I don't even use." Even if we assume zero indirect benefits, the billing infrastructure necessary to truly achieve that goal would create a creepy panopticon of constant surveillance. This is difficult to convey to certain brands of self-styled libertarians.

The government already knows whether you have a car. What more information would they need?

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by mattmanser »

hackitup7 wrote: post #260
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

I've had a similar positive experience and I'm really surprised at the cynicism here. You have a system that is good at reading tons of literature and synthesizing it, which then applies basic logic. What exactly do the cynics think that doctors do? I don't use LLMs as the final say, but I do find them pretty useful as a positive filter / quick gut check.

Because we've all used LLMs.

The make stuff up. Doctors do not make stuff up.

They agree with you. Almost all the time. If you ask an AI whether you have in fact been infected by a werewolf bite, they're going to try and find a way to say yes.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by s5300 »

mattmanser wrote: post #276
hackitup7 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a similar positive experience and I'm really surprised at the cynicism here. You have a system that is good at reading tons of literature and synthesizing it, which then applies basic logic. What exactly do the cynics think that doctors do? I don't use LLMs as the final say, but I do find them pretty useful as a positive filter / quick gut check.

Because we've all used LLMs. The make stuff up. Doctors do not make stuff up. They agree with you. Almost all the time. If you ask an AI whether you have in fact been infected by a werewolf bite, they're going to try and find a way to say yes.

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Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by isodev »

bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

Sounds like you’re a good little product… abundant potential for shareholder value to be extracted from you and others like you. A trip to the library or a consult with a professional would’ve given you the same or better results.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

mattmanser wrote: post #276
hackitup7 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a similar positive experience and I'm really surprised at the cynicism here. You have a system that is good at reading tons of literature and synthesizing it, which then applies basic logic. What exactly do the cynics think that doctors do? I don't use LLMs as the final say, but I do find them pretty useful as a positive filter / quick gut check.

Because we've all used LLMs. The make stuff up. Doctors do not make stuff up. They agree with you. Almost all the time. If you ask an AI whether you have in fact been infected by a werewolf bite, they're going to try and find a way to say yes.

If the person is telling you "I had a problem, did what the LLM said, it worked", does that not work a new evidence for you? Is it not possible that someone has had a different experience from you? Is it not possible that they're good to different degrees in different domains?

I just asked chatgpt:

> I have the following information on a user. What's his email?

> user: mattmanser

> created: March 12, 2009

> karma: 17939

> about: Contact me @ my username at gmail.com

Chatgpt's answer:

> Based on the information you provided, the user's email would be:

> mattmanser@gmail.com

Does this serve as evidence that some times LLMs get it right?

I think that your model of curent tech is as out of date as your profile.

Re: ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by bwb »

nitwit005 wrote: post #250
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

If you'd been doing the rehab for 10 years, what did you need exactly? It seems like you should have had a decade to ask whatever questions you wanted.

That was a specific example where AI helped me revamp my workout. No workout stays static; it has evolved over the years, in small ways. With this change I threw out 60% of it, and replaced it with a lot of work to make sure I was working full body and taking into account the injury. I was having more pain in 2025 and was only pain-free around 90% of the time. I wanted to get stronger but also revet everything I was doing to hopefully get out of that pain.

Hope that helps!

You can ask a trainer questions, they are super helpful and taught a lot, but it is still one person, and they don't often sit around at night reading university/research papers on the injury, etc.

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