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Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by woodruffw »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #267
woodruffw wrote: post #236

Of note: the US's per capita consumption of meat has increased by more than 100 pounds over the last century[1]. We now consume an immense amount of meat per person in this country. That increase is disproportionately in poultry, but we also consume more beef[2]. A demand for the average American to eat more meat would have to explain, as a baseline, why our already positive trend in meat consumption isn't yielding p…

I bet the number of vegans and vegetarians in the US are also at their highest (and growing).

That's probably true, but I don't think vegans and vegetarians as a demographic overlap closely with demographics that tend to have heart disease.

(Note that I am neither a vegetarian nor a vegan.)

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by clydethefrog »

Anonyneko wrote: post #18

I just refer to the official Finnish nutrition guidelines, they seem pretty reasonable. https://www.ruokavirasto.fi/en/foodstuffs/healthy-diet/nutri...

I liked the Canada food guide.

https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/

Discussion in 2019: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18985017

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by eweise »

tracker1 wrote: post #129
nihakue wrote: post #55

How is it possible that beef, dairy, and chicken are front and center while Lentils, Tofu (or even just soy), Chickpeas, Nutritional Yeast, Broccoli, etc are all left off? Why do they arbitrarily split "protein" and "fruit/veg" given that most/all of the most protein dense foods are vegetables/legumes? Steak is a terrible source of protein (in terms of nutrient density). Immediately pretty suspicious.

No vegetable is as protein dense as actual meat in its natural form. Ruminant meat is absolutely one of the best bioavailable forms of a mostly complete amino acid profile, though eggs and dairy is more complete with differing ratios depending on form/feed. As to lentils, tofu, chickpeas etc. They're fine for most people in moderation, but they are also relatively inflammatory and plenty of people have digestive issu…

AI says legumes are anti-inflammatory.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by jaredwiener »

This is the first .gov website I've seen that does not list any sort of agency, branch of government, commission, whatever, that's behind it.

Yes, I see the National Design Studio built it -- but presumably they aren't the ones writing nutritional guidance. Is this FDA? HHS?

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by burkaman »

tomcam wrote: post #194
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #191

For all the lunacy of RFK this somehow is actually a really good set of guidelines? Certainly better than the previous version. I didn't expect that to be honest.

What lunacy?

In his book "The Real Anthony Fauci" he spends a whole chapter claiming that HIV does not cause AIDS and it was actually caused by recreational drug use.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by nozzlegear »

nihakue wrote: post #55

How is it possible that beef, dairy, and chicken are front and center while Lentils, Tofu (or even just soy), Chickpeas, Nutritional Yeast, Broccoli, etc are all left off? Why do they arbitrarily split "protein" and "fruit/veg" given that most/all of the most protein dense foods are vegetables/legumes? Steak is a terrible source of protein (in terms of nutrient density). Immediately pretty suspicious.

> How is it possible that beef, dairy, and chicken are front and center while Lentils, Tofu (or even just soy), Chickpeas, Nutritional Yeast, Broccoli, etc are all left off?

To quote famed businessman and philosopher Eugene Krabs: "Money."

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by caycep »

rayiner wrote: post #215
caycep wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mostly because of the destruction of American science, public health and public safety the admin pushed through in order to publish this set of guidelines, instead of just hiring a professionally trained RD to write it up.

Didn’t those professionals give us the original food pyramid that told us to stuff our faces with bread? Weren’t they the same people that told us not to eat eggs because of cholesterol? And tell us to limit our fish consumption? Maybe different areas of expertise aren’t equally valid, and even good experts often can’t see the forest for the trees in terms of developing actionable advice.

No, that was the US Dept of Agriculture. You need to talk to an actual RD.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by caycep »

potato3732842 wrote: post #244
caycep wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mostly because of the destruction of American science, public health and public safety the admin pushed through in order to publish this set of guidelines, instead of just hiring a professionally trained RD to write it up.

"The professionals" produced 2.5-3 laughably bad food pyramids depending on how you count. Of all the things this administration has done to "run around" the system on this or that issue, this is not gonna be one I'm gonna get pissed off about.

Food pyramid is a US Dept of Agriculture thing, not from any professional RD

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by mistrial9 »

ch4s3 wrote: post #255
woodruffw wrote: post #236

Of note: the US's per capita consumption of meat has increased by more than 100 pounds over the last century[1]. We now consume an immense amount of meat per person in this country. That increase is disproportionately in poultry, but we also consume more beef[2]. A demand for the average American to eat more meat would have to explain, as a baseline, why our already positive trend in meat consumption isn't yielding p…

I'd strongly prefer the government just not try to tell people what to eat, the incentives will always be perverse and nutrition science is anything but science in most cases. EDIT down-thread to prove my point you'll see people citing studies in favor of and against the new recommendations. The studies are almost always in animals or use self reported data with tiny sample sizes.

> not try to tell people what to eat

food industry has to be policed -- The Jungle by Upton Sinclair is a high school level story featuring the meat packing industry. All around, additives and substitutes are more profitable than raw ingredients.

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