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Web development is fun again

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Re: Web development is fun again

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Related question which might fit here so I'm going to try: What is the absolute cheapest way to get started on AI coding a simple website? I have a couple ideas I want to test out and get out of my head and onto the web but have resisted for years because my webdev knowledge is stuck in 2004 and I've had no desire to change that. These are not complicated things (all static, I think) but... I hate webdev. I am not re…

Cloudflare has a ~zero cost hosting service if all you need is static web page.

Re: Web development is fun again

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It’s because business demand speed and shipping over other concerns. We had to fight hard for proper quality controls in the face of the LLM coding assistance boom where I work. These are great tools but they have limits and can lead to poor engineering hygiene quite quickly. It took a major issue being attributed to having too much trust in these tools before we were able to enforce better hygiene with them

Yeah. I love programming. I even love the business side where you solve real problems for people. What I don't love is the constant pressure to just deliver faster and faster. So forcing these chatbots on us fill a need for the CEOs and manager types that just want to DELIVER DELIVER DELIVER, but the benefit for the people that are forced to use them are marginal at best. There are some valid use cases for LLM-based…

Customers don't buy software based on quality first, they buy on features.

Until customers in mass, or regulations demand quality, money will be made on deliveries.

If your lucky and can program how you want and take the time you need, then you can focus on the attributes you feel best about.

Re: Web development is fun again

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I remember when Hacker News felt smaller. Threads were shorter. Context fit in your head. You could read the linked article, skim the comments, and jump in without feeling like you’d missed a prerequisite course.

It probably didn’t feel special at the time, but looking back, it was simpler. The entire conversation space was manageable. If you had a thought, you could express it clearly, hit “reply,” and reasonably expect to be understood.

As a single commenter, you could hold the whole discussion in your mind. From article to argument to conclusion. Or at least, it felt that way.

I’m probably romanticizing it—but you know what I mean.

Now, articles are denser. Domains are deeper. Threads splinter instantly. Someone cites a paper, someone else links a counter-paper, a third person references a decades-old mailing list post, and suddenly the discussion assumes years of background you may or may not have.

You’re expected to know the state of the art, the historical context, the common rebuttals, the terminology, and the unwritten norms—while also being concise, charitable, and original.

Every field has matured—probably for the better—but it demands deeper domain knowledge just to participate without embarrassing yourself. Over time, I found myself backing out of threads I was genuinely interested in, not because I had nothing to say, but because the cognitive load felt too high. As a solo thinker, it became harder to keep up.

> AI has entered the chat.

They’re far from perfect, but tools like Claude and ChatGPT gave me something I hadn’t felt in a long time: _leverage_.

I can now quickly:

- Summarize long articles - Recall prior art - Check whether a take is naïve or already debunked - Clarify my own thinking before posting

Suddenly, the background complexity matters a lot less. I can go from “half-formed intuition” to “coherent comment” in minutes instead of abandoning the tab entirely. I can re-enter conversations I would’ve previously skipped.

> Oh no, you’re outsourcing thinking—bet it’s all slop!

Over the years, I’ve read thousands of great HN comments. Thoughtful ones. Careful ones. People who knew when to hedge, when to cite, when to shut up. That pattern is in my head now.

With AI, I can lean on that experience. I can sanity-check tone. I can ask, “Is this fair?” or “What am I missing?” I can stress-test an argument before I inflict it on strangers.

When AI suggests something wrong, I know it’s wrong. When it’s good, I recognize why. Iteration is fast. Even with back-and-forth refinement, I’m dramatically more effective at expressing what I already think.

The goal hasn’t changed: contribute something useful to the discussion. The bar is still high. But now I have a ladder instead of a sheer wall.

There’s mental space for curiosity again. My head isn’t constantly overloaded with “did I miss context?”, “is this a known bad take?”, or “will this derail into pedantry?” I can offload that checking to AI and focus on the _idea_.

That leaves room to explore. To ask better questions. To write comments that connect ideas instead of defensively hedging every sentence. To participate for the joy of thinking in public again.

It was never about typing comments fast, or winning arguments. It was about engaging with interesting people on interesting problems. Writing was just the interface.

And with today’s tools, that interface is finally lighter again. AI really has made commenting on Hacker News fun again.

Re: Web development is fun again

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>On the frontend, you have build pipelines, bundlers, CSS frameworks with their own toolchains, progressive web apps, Core Web Vitals, SEO, layout shifts, srcset/responsive images... I remember when the biggest challenge was IE6 compatibility. It is not necessary to do this. Server-side rendering is still a thing. I still do a lot of my side projects in ruby on rails, which is maybe not fashionable these days but: -…

Build pipelines, bundlers, CSS frameworks with their own toolchains, progressive web apps, Core Web Vitals, SEO, layout shifts, and srcset/responsive images have nothing to do with client/server rendering.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Something I like about our weird new LLM-assisted world is the number of people I know who are coding again, having mostly stopped as they moved into management roles or lost their personal side project time to becoming parents. AI assistance means you can get something useful done in half an hour, or even while you are doing other stuff. You don't need to carve out 2-4 hours to ramp up any more. If you have signific…

I don't know but to me this all sounds like the antithesis of what makes programming fun. You don't have productivity goals for hobby coding where you'd have to make the most of your half an hour -- that sounds too much like paid work to be fun. If you have a half an hour, you tinker for a half an hour and enjoy it. Then you continue when you have another half an hour again. (Or push into night because you can't make…

I too have found this. However, I absolutely love being able to mock up a larger idea in 30 minutes to assess feasibility as a proof of concept before I sink a few hours into it.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Exactly! ...If the printing press spouted gibberish every 9 words.

That was LLMs in 2023.

Respect to you. I ran out of energy to correct people's dated misconceptions. If they want to get left behind, it's not my problem.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Couldn't you just static render the parts that you're using SSR for? I am not trying to be dismissive, but a common strict requirement is static hosting from a CDN, embedded environments, etc.

If you static render, it won't be an interactive application. With React SSR you get the best of both: stream static HTML chunks immediately, and rehydrate with JS later, prioritizing components the user interacts with. It should load quicker compared to traditional React apps where the browser loads the HTML, then loads the JS bundle, and only then renders a loading skeleton while likely triggering more requests for…

Static rendering has nothing to do with interactivity in a web app.

I guess if you're already so deeply entrenched in writing all your application logic on the server side you need React SSR, but that sounds miserable.

Re: Web development is fun again

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Web development may be fun again but you aren’t developing. You order and became a customer.

Maybe you can distinguish good code from bad code but how long will you check it? Auditing wasn’t the fun part ever.

And I bet at some point you will recognize a missing feeling of accomplishment because you didn’t figure out the how, you just ordered the what.

We wouldn’t call someone a painter who let AI do the painting.

Re: Web development is fun again

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I really agree with this. For me it just feel so much more fun and rewarding to build my weekend projects, especially those projects where I just want to produce and deploy a working mvp out of an idea. If trying out a new framework or whatever I find it quite the opposite though, that AI removes all the fun parts of learning (obviously)

Re: Web development is fun again

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Search “centre a div” in Google Wade through ads Skim a treatise on the history of centering content Skim over the “this question is off topic / duplicate” noise if Stack Overflow Find some code on the page Try to map how that code will work in the context of your other layout Realize it’s plain CSS and you’re looking for Tailwind Keep searching Try some stuff until it works Or… Ask LLM. Wait 20-30 seconds. Move on t…

Wait till the VC tap gets shut off. You: Hey ChatGPT, help me center a div. ChatGPT: Certainly, I'd be glad to help! But first you must drink a verification can to proceed. Or: ChatGPT: I'm sorry, you appear to be asking a development-related question, which your current plan does not support. Would you like me to enable "Dev Mode" for an additional $200/month? Drink a verification can to accept charges.

Just you wait until the powers that be take cars away from us! What absolute FOOLS you all are to shape your lives around something that could be taken away from us at any time! How are you going to get to work when gas stations magically disappear off the face of the planet? I ride a horse to work, and y'all are idiots for developing a dependency on cars. Next thing you're gonna tell me is we're going to go to war for oil to protect your way of life.

Come on!

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