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Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by llmslave2 »

immibis wrote: post #260
llmslave2 wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that comment meets the bar for "explicitly calling for violence", tens of Hackernews posters would be getting arrested daily for how they talk about billionaires. AOC should avoid travel to the UK because her "eat the rich" rhetoric is an explicit call for violence under this standard. Etc etc.

Yes, that's correct. Have you tried reporting them to the police? If they're in the UK, they can be prosecuted.

No I haven't tried reporting them to the police because A) it's not illegal speech and B) I'm not a loser

Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by jjgreen »

n4r9 wrote: post #139
curtisblaine wrote: post #115

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> Very bad faith interpretation. You know full well that's not what is meant when this phrase is employed. I hope you're willing to extend this charitable way of interpreting intentions to the hyperboles made by the far right in their slogans. What if a anti-immigration group came out with the "eat the aliens" slogan? Should they be allowed to chant that? Make signs? > Should we extend free speech to groups actively…

I'm not sure I'd say I'm being "charitable" when I guess that the vast majority of left-wing activists are not in fact cannibals.

The rich don't make good eating in any case, too greasy, too much cocaine, if you must then you'd really want to slow roast ...

Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by vgk_sys »

mlrtime wrote: post #110
mmsc wrote: post #2

Does anybody know what the situation is like in China these days? What's the most commonly used tool for proxying now? Does basically all network leaving China still get ratelimited at a few megabytes per second?

Nothing to add other than I have no idea what the list of tech in the replies are here, and I consider myself somewhat up to date on most tech... strange world.

when wireguard work at line rate speed why bother with so much custom obfuscation it half the speed ?

Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by ben_w »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #231
ben_w wrote: post #96

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> The same Starmer who's cancelled local elections? False: https://fullfact.org/online/council-elections-war-cancelled/ > Who's not looked at the polls and thought maybe it's time to go, because the demos clearly don't want me? You seem to have missed the "did actually win power" and "this is how democracy works in the UK" parts. I agree he should go, but I could say that about all of the UK politicians, they're all…

So per your source, he did cancel local elections at a time where it is politically favorable for him to do so?

No.

1. "Postponed" is not "cancelled"

2. "Postponed" is entirely normal within British politics. For most of my life, even the timing of general elections were at the whim of the government.

3. Given how Starmer polls, the delay is almost certainly going to make things un-favourable for him. Also unfavourable for Labour, unless they kick him out first.

Not that it would matter much if your conspiracy theory held water, given that one of the many constitutional problems the UK has is that local councils have negligible power (options are tied all over the place) and therefore local elections are functionally little more than opinion polls done in a voting booth.

Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by observationist »

throwfaraway135 wrote: post #17

Considering the staggering number of arrest for online/offensive communications in England & Wales, we should add Britain to the list of Russia and Iran 2017: ~5,500 arrests 2019: ~7,734 arrests 2023: ~12,183 arrests

Imagine being at the legal mercy of terminally online reddit mods who can deploy police to arrest you, and the police strategy is to roll up on you between 1 and 5 AM at night, to catch you vulnerable and off-guard.

If they don't like a comment you make, or if your face isn't sufficiently supportive in a picture taken of you, or if you downvote the wrong post, all someone has to do is claim they are offended, and you can get taken to jail.

Oi! You gotta loicense for that smirk?

They're still in the civilized phase of this, with people being politely disturbed but still playing along with authority. I can't imagine this ends well, however - I think they're gonna get riots in Guy Fawkes masks, widespread mayhem, and murder before it's over.

Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by ben_w »

passing_by_and wrote: post #219
esperent wrote: post #141

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I've been hearing lots of crazy things about people getting arrested in the UK for posting "memes" or things like that. So I decided to look for examples. All the examples I can find are clearly hate speech, policed more strongly than I would prefer but not that much more strongly, if I'm honest. The most egregious case I could find was someone arrested for a meme of a pride flag morphing into a swastika. Probably no…

Why on earth would you support arresting people for any speech, hate or otherwise? It is just so obviously a terrible idea that has been regurgitated over and over for thousands of years, countless books, wars, philosophical treatise and here we are. No wonder we aren't going to make it.

> Why on earth would you support arresting people for any speech, hate or otherwise?

Historical examples, including just about within living memory, where freedom of speech was used to gain the power to kill.

Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by curtisblaine »

immibis wrote: post #263
FergusArgyll wrote: post #153

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What does "hide behind free speech" mean?

It means defending Nazi shit by claiming you're allowed to say anything you want. Timmy: "I think it should be legal to kill Jews." Moderator: (bans Timmy) Timmy (elsewhere): "Help, I'm being persecuted for expressing my beliefs!" / "Moderator X is a fascist oppressing people based on their opinions!" / "Platform X hates free speech!" XKCD covered this phenomenon years ago, but wasn't heeded: https://xkcd.com/1357/ Y…

Well, censorship has been recentky applied to Palestine Action supporters too (they're routinely arrested in the UK, and they're normally far leftists), so it's not only nazis. The thing that makes hate speech laws safe and fuzzy is that they're initially applied to restrict the speech of your enemies. Then the tide changes, and the same laws get applied against you and your friends.

Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by sanskritical »

onraglanroad wrote: post #249
sanskritical wrote: post #149

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Because this thread started in a discussion about the United Kingdom, I think it is relevant to cite how this exact scenario did happen in the United Kingdom. https://www.facebook.com/piersmorganuncensored/videos/elizab... Elizabeth Kinney was arrested for a homophobic slur used privately in a text message to a third party -- not even a public comment -- against a man who physically beat her. The man served no jail t…

What really happened: "The defendant and the victim in this matter had been friends but had a falling out which resulted in an incident on the October 27, 2024 whereby abusive and homophobic text messages were sent to the victim causing her alarm and distress."

Yes, the prosecutor defined the "victim" in this case as the third party receiving the text messages. They were so harmed by hearing someone who beat the defendant until she had a brain injury called a slur that the only remedy was bust into her house with a swat team to put her in a jail cell, instead of having the "victim" block and cut ties with the sender.

Re: Staying ahead of censors in 2025

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Post by sanskritical »

daveguy wrote: post #238
sanskritical wrote: post #236

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No bigotry at all. It has nothing to do with his ethnicity. Just that the guy and his followers are notably biased, and they are open about it. Sorry you misunderstood as bigotry my pointing out the clear bias of the owners and your incorrect attribution of ownership. Look at the content section of your original link about IBT. The rag is clearly not run on sound journalistic practices.

Okay, so it is about him being Christian and not Asian.
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