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I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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Bluetooth is too flaky for such critical inputs. Dongles will usually bring higer polling, less interference/2.4Ghz connectivity and lower load on the host system. Sadly most are USB-A plugs. Bluetooth being cnstantly used for audio and so many other things as well might also be at play ?

Isn't that more due to the Bluetooth hardware used and implementation on the OS side? On macOS I never had flakyness with Bluetooth keyboards but on Windows my experience was significantly worse.

It might as well be, though Bluetooth is kinda hit or miss in general IMHO.

On Macos, first party peripherals have of course pretty good connectivity (is it even straight Bluetooth?) but it's not perfect either, and third party ones have a tougher time.

I wondered how much it was just me, apparently we were dozens: https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/17659mx/sonoma_bluet...

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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The idea is that repairability and reliability are sometimes at odds. I owned a number of 90s trucks and though it was easier to get into the engine, I had to do it well before 100k miles sometimes. Meanwhile I have a 2010s Japanese vehicle that is at 200k with only an alternator replaced.

This sounds like correlation not causation.

It is and it isnt. The more goals a design has the harder it is to achieve all of them well.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…

I was hoping that this is how it would work for System76 -- when I bought the laptop they sold replacement batteries. Five years later I find myself needing a battery and they are unavailable -- not on System76's website, not online, nowhere. My only option is to either replace the laptop or buy a used one and take the battery from that, hoping that it's good. For the last six months I've just been using a laptop as…

I'm running my lemur pro with no battery (on a UPS) now too. My first battery ballooned and then I got a second aftermarket one and it balooned too -- Yikes!

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…

It would be nice to replace the keyboard with an inverted T-arrow layout and the fn as the leftmost corner key.

Alas this third party parts manufacturer/supplier never took off.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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I’ve always found this line of thinking to match up with drivers of old Land Rovers. The thinking goes they are brilliant because they are so easy to repair and parts are easy to source globally. While that’s true, I much prefer to drive vehicles that don’t need repairs.

I don't know about you, but every laptop I've had suffered some sort of malfunction sooner or later and I never bothered to have them serviced because it was too much of a hassle - especially seeing how a friend of mine outright battled Lenovo support over mundane things like a failing keyboard despite everything being still in warranty. Specific issues by laptop: 1. Pressure marks on screen, failing USB ports, crack…

In Australia, all of these things would be returned for a full refund under Australia Consumer Law as a major fault, there is no time limit, just expectations of a reasonable consumer.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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I thought Framework was worth a gamble. I replaced my last laptop after 10+ years because the battery gave out, the end-of-life hardware was so old it no longer got OS upgrades, and eventually apps stopped working. I like the idea of getting to easily throw new hardware at my machine to keep it going. (I also tired of Apple shoving bad experiences down my throat (TouchBar, Butterfly keyboards, thin glass screens that…

Will this work in reality? Will it be expensive to replace all the parts, and will the case be able to cool new CPUs, and will I have to get a new mainboard, etc?

When a $39 hinge kit costs $70 after shipping, it sounds unlikely I'll be buying replacement parts from Framework, and there's really no 3rd party marketplace either.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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I work international (somewhat of a digital nomad) so perhaps I’m an outlier in my usage. I have an M1 MacBook Pro that I bought new at release. I can’t replace the memory or storage. But so far I didn’t need to do that. In case it breaks, I walk to my nearby electronics store and purchase a new MacBook Pro. With Time Machine restore I am up an running within an hour. The M1 goes onto the pile of stuff to repair late…

How about buying (and installing) two cheap laptops, say used Thinkpads (or Framework!?), and then backing up $HOME (and maybe list of installed packages) at one's convenience? These are nowadays light enough to carry around when traveling with luggage. If deemed too heavy, at least a Thinkpad likely is on sale closeby and `dd`ing an ISO image, installing the missing packages and copying $HOME should not take too lon…

A bit annoying to lug around for a nomad. I'm in a similar situation where I travel a lot with my mac laptop. For me, the ease of just going to a store and buying one if my current fails me is all that matters.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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I've posted this about a year ago on another Framework thread. I see a lot of questions from people interested in FW laptops, so I thought my experience may help understand the good and bad.

I bought a Framework 13" in 2022, Intel 13th gen with 32GB ram (probably not as stupid as expensive as it is now) and 1TB drive.

It has good intentions but falls short. I would say overall it is a mediocre laptop in terms of quality.

Will it last longer than any other laptop? I would think so, as it has a strong story of available parts and upgrades. Similarly I believe it would last longer than any other laptop, since you can essentially do a Ship of Theseus with it.

Pain points:

  - display hinge problem, picking up the laptop would make the screen lie flat 180 degrees, which is really annoying - this has been fixed in newer versions of framework, but to get a new hinge kit costs $39 AUD plus $30 AUD in shipping, so I'm not willing to make that purchase due to the ridiculous shipping price,

  - the modular ports are nice, but I'd rather just have fixed ports and more of them, of course that'd obstruct the repair/modularity story,

  - sometimes the modular ports do not work after resuming from a hibernate, I have to eject and reseat it,

  - the display is okay, I notice mine has a small granular line of off coloured pixels - i don't think this is due to any physical damage but rather a defect in the screen as I've never had this kind of issue with any other laptop and I've handled the framework fairly carefully; but this line of off coloured pixels is very faint and virtually unnoticeable unless using very dark colours, so it's not a huge deal as I make it out to be,

  - the keyboard works great, but I was hoping for an upgrade to something along the lines of an apple style layout with half height inverted-t arrow keys and fn/ctrl swapped; the idea of a marketplace for custom parts never really eventuated save a few niche things like RISC V,

  - Battery life of about 3-4 hours of very average usage,

  - Speakers are trash.
The webcam / mic are good enough. I run Linux on it, and seems to run pretty stable.

I needed this laptop because I needed 32GB of ram for compile jobs (c++ programmers on large projects knows such pain). I have since got a macbook pro 16" with >32GB of ram and it can compile what I need using Rosetta 2 for Linux (so amd64 compiles). Since my mac can now do everything I need, I haven't really touched my Framework; I just keep it spare when I need a bare metal x86-64 in a pinch. I loathe the idea of having to use it over a mac laptop.

The good news is since my post a year ago, Apple has since released the m4 chips which allow the Macbook Air range to drive up to two external displays using thunderbolt.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

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They don't? Ryzen 340 mainboard: $450 https://frame.work/products/mainboard-amd-ai300?v=FRANTE0005 Ryzen 340 laptop: $1100 https://frame.work/products/laptop13-amd-ai300/configuration... Yeah it's certainly the single most expensive component, but it's still cheaper than a whole new laptop and, more to the point, less waste than a whole new laptop

Your comparing Framework to itself. https://slickdeals.net/f/18984394-hp-omnibook-5-16-fhd-ips-r... HP OmniBook 5 16 with an Ryzen 350 for 439$. This is actually less than the framework mainboard for a full laptop with a better processor. This actually

But the rest of that machine is hot garbage.
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