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Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Groq press release: https://groq.com/newsroom/groq-and-nvidia-enter-non-exclusiv... > Today, Groq announced that it has entered into a non-exclusive licensing agreement with Nvidia for Groq’s inference technology. The agreement reflects a shared focus on expanding access to high-performance, low cost inference. > As part of this agreement, Jonathan Ross, Groq’s Founder, Sunny Madra, Groq’s President, and other member…

Another example of the growing trend of buying out key parts of a company to avoid any actual acquisition? I wonder if equity holding employees get anything from the deal or indeed if all the investors will be seeing a return from this?

I have a friend who worked in a company that got "not acquired" in a similar deal.

She didn't see a dime out of it, and was let off (together with a big chunk of people) within 6 months.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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A few thoughts: [disclaimer - I don't know anything official at all just reading the same public info that has been officially shared - this is just a few thoughts from an outsider]

- The deal structure matters, and we don't have enough details yet. - If the license fee is distributed to shareholders, it goes above the liquidation preference. Anyone with common stock or options can exercise and get paid out. - The company continuing forward—I see this as great. There are discussions about it becoming just a shell, but I don't think that's the case at all. This looks like an acqui-hire for a few top people and a licensing deal for an alternative hardware approach to inference.

Let's say they keep $3–4B cash in the company. That's plenty to avoid another financing round and keep cranking on growth.

Groq and Cerebras can keep adding speed to open models while giving Nvidia key IP they can integrate into their large data center buildouts.

Also, on deal points I think could be interesting: would you negotiate this as a one-time payment license deal? I wouldn't. Maybe it's a hurdle, so it might take a while, but let's say Nvidia pushes massive investment to deploy this Groq hardware infrastructure integrated into their full stack… A. This could produce a nice royalty stream for the Groq company that still exists—benefiting all stakeholders. B. Use Nvidia's massive ability to deploy capital and hardware pipeline and add in another unit they can sell to their fat stakes customers and ultimately to cheapen and accelerate getting fast inference in the wild quickly.

And lastly, if management is smart or clever with the distribution part of this deal, maybe they convert all stock to common and squash the liquidation preference in this move. so they might have a quite compelling cap table post deal. (again hopefully structured as a distribution vs buy out) but at least pref is gone.

So employees exercise, get an exit, keep their stock—with investors already happy, liquidation preference gone, and potentially a well-capitalized future royalty stream coming from the largest market cap company in the world and the largest capex pipeline ever seen.

I'd much rather own the actual shares (fewer handcuffs) and have plenty of cash to deploy in a very capex-heavy moment.

It just seems like a win-win-win-win.

Nvidia wins new fundamentally different IP can sell to there existing customers Groq employees and stakeholders win. The open models win (big). We as AI consumers win because of cheaper, faster inference.

Common to what we all want to believe here, we’re not really in a winner take all moment here. nvdia is just taking a disproportional amount because of lack of real suitable alternatives… The base will for sure widen and expand from where we are at now, but that doesn’t mean that nvidia has to or is going or loose as part of it.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Indeed, as justincormack comments: ”It is not structured as an outright acquisition to avoid US Gov't anti trust scrutiny, but effectively it probably is”. “Non-exclusive” ? Ummmm, yeah, right, sure. You can probably bet there is an private understanding that Groq will no longer offer it's “top of the line” best technology to competitors of Nvidia. Some may see this as a clever, “slight of the hand” attempt for Nvidi…

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Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Are they buying them to try and slow down open source models and protect the massive amounts of money they make from OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta ect? It quite obvious that open source models are catching up to closed source models very fast they about 3-4 months behind right now, and yeah they are trained on Nvidia chips, but as the open source models become more usable, and closer to closed source models they will eat i…

>Are they buying them to try and slow down open source models The opposite, I think. Why do you think that local models are a direct threat to Nvidia? Why would Nvidia let a few of their large customers have more leverage by not diversifying to consumers? Openai decided to eat into Nvidia's manufacturing supply by buying DRAM; that's concretely threatening behavior from one of Nvidia's larger customers. If Groq sells…

> Besides, there are going to be more Groqs in the future.

And likely some of them are going to be in countries that won't let them sell out to Nvidia.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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They don't need to catch up. They just need to be good enough and fast as fuck. Vast majority of useful tasks of LLMs has nothing to do with how smart they are. GPT-5 models have been the most useless models out of any model released this year despite being SOTA, and it because it slow as fuck.

> just need to be good enough and fast as fuck Hard disagree. There are very few scenarios where I'd pick speed (quantity) over intelligence (quality) for anything remotely to do with building systems.

If you thought a human working on something will benefit from being "agile" (building fast, shipping quickly, iterating, getting feedback, improving), why should it be any different from AI models?

Implicit in your claim are specific assumptions about how expensive/untenable it is to build systemic guardrails and human feedback, and specific cost/benefit ratio of approximate goal attainment instead of perfect goal attainment. Rest assured that there is a whole portfolio of situations where different design points make most sense.

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I wonder if such deals will create employee lawsuits. I'd certainly be looking at legal options if I was one of the founding employees.

The employees are getting paid twice.

The employees are getting paid zero times.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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Groq press release: https://groq.com/newsroom/groq-and-nvidia-enter-non-exclusiv... > Today, Groq announced that it has entered into a non-exclusive licensing agreement with Nvidia for Groq’s inference technology. The agreement reflects a shared focus on expanding access to high-performance, low cost inference. > As part of this agreement, Jonathan Ross, Groq’s Founder, Sunny Madra, Groq’s President, and other member…

> As part of this agreement, Jonathan Ross, Groq’s Founder, Sunny Madra, Groq’s President, and other members of the Groq team will join Nvidia to help advance and scale the licensed technology. A really strange agreement where top executives of a company "join" another company for the benefit of the other company. If it quacks like a duck...

In the current political climate you only need to slightly pretend to care about the appearance of being a monopoly, just enough to give plausible deniability in a sound bite. Anything else isn't worth it.

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What generated this comment?

Looks like a normal comment to me, what makes you think otherwise? It has pretty much no hallmarks of being generated, and plenty that point towards the opposite.

Starting the comment pointing out the name of the user you're replying to, and quoting the exact comment you're replying to, does sound really strange.

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What generated this comment?

Looks like a normal comment to me, what makes you think otherwise? It has pretty much no hallmarks of being generated, and plenty that point towards the opposite.

Quoting the user it’s replying to in third person, and then hallucinating words inside the quote.

When I have asked LLMs to read/dictate a linked text, the output is usually not a clean read but something reinterpreted with its own style.

Re: Nvidia to buy assets from Groq for $20B cash

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I am by no means an expert, but I think it is a process that allows training LLMs from other LLMs without needing as much compute or nearly as much data as training from scratch. I think this was the thing deepseek pioneered. Don’t quote me on any of that though.

Yes. They bounced millions of queries off of ChatGPT to teach/form/train their DeepSeek model. This bot-like querying was the "distillation."

Why would OpenAI allow someone to do that?
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