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The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by pdimitar »

newsclues wrote: post #39
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #24

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It is not a question of want. Gaming will exist in some form so I am simply uncertain what you are concerned about. Can you elaborate a little? What, exactly, is your concern here? That you won't have nvidia as a choice? That AMD will be the only game in town? That gpu market will move from duopoly ( for gaming specifically ) to monopoly? I have little to go on, but I don't really want to put words in your mouth base…

I want a local gaming machine that I control. Not a locked ecosystem console or a streaming service with lag! I think if nvidia leaves the market for AI, why wouldn’t AMD and intel, with the memory cartel. So DIY market is gone. That kills lots of companies and creators that rely on the gaming market. It’s a doom spiral for a lot of the industry. If gaming is just PlayStation and switch and iGPUs there is a lot less…

You are so quickly accepting a wild assumption -- that all 3 GPU major producers will exit the market. The "memory cartel" bets on people being impatient and COVID has shown that people will just wait out the terrible GPU prices and come back to buy when the prices are reasonable again.

That cartel is imply flying high right now, convinced they got the market by the balls.

They don't. Just give it most of 2026 and you'll see.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by oersted »

asdff wrote: post #188
oersted wrote: post #149

I don’t understand why most people in this thread think that this would be such a big deal. It will not change the market in significant negative or positive ways. AMD has been at their heals for a couple of decades and is more competitive than ever, they will simply fill their shoes. Most games consoles have been AMD centric for a long time regardless, they’ve always been fairly dominant in the mid range and they ha…

Why would AMD shareholders tolerate them engaging in gaming pc market if Nvidia drops out? They might last a couple years but I mean the writing will be on the wall for them to chase enterprise sales and abandon gamers. Especially when game console manufacturers would prefer you spend $25 a month for life instead of buying a $500 console every 8 years. There won't be an xbox or playstation in your house before long.

Sure the gaming hardware landscape is likely to change, but it won’t be up to Nvidia’s decision. If it remains a viable business, it will thrive whether Nvidia is in it or not.

They’ve become a big name now with AI, but they were never the only game in town in their home markets. They had an edge on the high-end so their name had some prestige, but market share wise it was quite even. Even with AI, they have a temporary head start but I wouldn’t be surprised if they get crowded in the coming years, what they do is not magic.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by guerrilla »

ogogmad wrote: post #185
guerrilla wrote: post #183

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It's already here right now, unironically. There's no need for Windows for gaming now. I just build a new rig with a 7900 XTX and with Steam on Arch Linux everything just works with absolutely no hassle or thinking. This was the only value Windows still had and now that's over.

There are still some pain points with Linux distros: With some, an upgrade can leave you unable to boot into a graphical login screen. This can also happen if you leave a Linux installation, like Manjaro, alone for a year and then do an update.

Never have I ever once had a problem after updating Arch Linux. I always had problems with Manjaro when I put it on my ex's computer because I thought it would be easier. Wrong. Stop using Manjaro. It's much lower quality than a serious distro.

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Post by imcritic »

dijit wrote: post #228
imcritic wrote: post #223

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That's bullshit. I don't care about graphics, I play lots of indie games, some of them are made by a single person. There are free game engines, so basically all one needs for a successful game is just a good idea for the game. And a friend of mine still mostly plays the goddamn Ultima Online, the game that was released 28 years ago.

and if a new game came out today that looked and played the same as Ultima online… What would you (and the rest of gamers) think about it? Your expectations of that game are set appropriately. Same with a lot of Indy games, the expectation can be that its in early access for a decade+. You would never accept that from, say, Ubisoft.

Depends on what that game brings, I might like it a lot. Again, me and all my friends love indie games, most of them with pixel graphics or just low polygon. The market for such games is big enough. Just look up some popular indie games sales estimations.

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by blibble »

pdimitar wrote: post #264
moffkalast wrote: post #109

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AMD will certainly be very happy to raise prices significantly when they have a defacto monopoly over the market segment alright.

I keep hearing this and yet history has proved, time and again, that any overly greedy monopolist achieves the reverse effect of monopoly. Don't get too worried. People still can and do vote with their wallets. Additional vector of attack against greedy capitalists is also the fact that the economy is not doing great either. They cannot increase prices too much. I also predict that the DDR5 RAM price hikes will not l…

> I keep hearing this and yet history has proved, time and again, that any overly greedy monopolist achieves the reverse effect of monopoly.

this is true in general

but the barrier to entry for gaming GPUs is massive (hundreds of billions)

intel have been working at it for close to a decade and now just about have a workable product, at the low end

Re: The post-GeForce era: What if Nvidia abandons PC gaming?

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Post by pdimitar »

blibble wrote: post #275
pdimitar wrote: post #264

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I keep hearing this and yet history has proved, time and again, that any overly greedy monopolist achieves the reverse effect of monopoly. Don't get too worried. People still can and do vote with their wallets. Additional vector of attack against greedy capitalists is also the fact that the economy is not doing great either. They cannot increase prices too much. I also predict that the DDR5 RAM price hikes will not l…

> I keep hearing this and yet history has proved, time and again, that any overly greedy monopolist achieves the reverse effect of monopoly. this is true in general but the barrier to entry for gaming GPUs is massive (hundreds of billions) intel have been working at it for close to a decade and now just about have a workable product, at the low end

Yes, I agree. But there are plenty of GPUs on the market still, and even more on the second-hand market as well.

By the time those are depleted we'll have a new player.

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Post by lifis »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #210
cycomanic wrote: post #208

What I don't really understand is why the big data centre operators destroy their old cards instead of selling them off. What are the downsides for them? Apart from the obvious, i.e. it would bring in money, would it not also drive down the cost for brand new cards? I.e. Nvidia can currently overcharge dramatically because there is such a shortage. If the data centre operators would dump large numbers of used cards o…

Most data center GPUs don't have display outputs and some use exotic connectors (not PCIe x16 slots), making them worth next to nothing as conventional graphics cards.

It's probably possible to move the rendered frames via PCI Express to another card with video output or perhaps design a custom card that connects via NVLink/Infiniband and provides video out. Or maybe even mount the video out on the GPU motherboard if he graphics chip had support but it's not just not connected to a port.

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Post by bombcar »

oivey wrote: post #126
bombcar wrote: post #77

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I wonder what Balatro dos that wouldn’t be possible on a 486.

Virtually all the graphics? Modern computers are very fast.

Sure the effects, etc aren’t possible, nor would the resolutions of modern phones.

But solitare ran on a 486 and I don’t see what of the gameplay requires massive CPU.

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Post by moffkalast »

pdimitar wrote: post #264
moffkalast wrote: post #109

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AMD will certainly be very happy to raise prices significantly when they have a defacto monopoly over the market segment alright.

I keep hearing this and yet history has proved, time and again, that any overly greedy monopolist achieves the reverse effect of monopoly. Don't get too worried. People still can and do vote with their wallets. Additional vector of attack against greedy capitalists is also the fact that the economy is not doing great either. They cannot increase prices too much. I also predict that the DDR5 RAM price hikes will not l…

Well I certainly hope you're right. The sheer amount of knowhow it takes to produce usable silicon and the relative undersupply seems like a massive problem when the end result with basically the same upfront investment can go for 3k or 30k in different markets.

I'm hoping the Chinese fabs can finally catch up enough to provide a meaningful alternative both for memory and compute. They're more or less the only ones still making consumer grade stuff in lots of other segments, the rest of us just make overpriced low volume products for the highest bidder.

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