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After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by tguvot »

nayroclade wrote: post #67
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #56

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> I suggest you read the article I wasn't talking about what they were discussing (desalination for farming). I was talking about moving an entire city, as opposed to getting enough water to deal with just that city. I suggest you read this: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments

Actually it says the desalinated water is too expensive even for farming, it’s only used for heavy industries, so it’s certainly not a solution for the domestic supply of 9 million people. And don’t confuse moving the capital city with actually relocating Tehran. Tehran’s not going anywhere. What they’re proposing is building a new capital city, but it’ll be the rich and the political and religious elite who move the…

for farming you recycle waste water

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by geraneum »

stickfigure wrote: post #181
smugma wrote: post #167

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%2527%C3%A9... A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after Mossadegh nationalized and refused to concede to western oil demands.

Yeah that was bad but you're skipping another revolution and more than 70 years of history. There's always some previous war.

> There's always some previous war.

As in everywhere else.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by nephihaha »

interloxia wrote: post #64
nephihaha wrote: post #30

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I read a similar prediction about Cape Town not long ago. It hasn't happened there despite the serious threat.

It was pretty dire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Town_water_crisis

Yes, I heard. Very serious. But I don't know if the worst predictions came true.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by geraneum »

ch4s3 wrote: post #206
therobots927 wrote: post #189

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I don’t think any serious post WWII historians would agree with you. There was a concentrated effort by the UK and US to displace Mossadegh, who was democratically elected by the way. At the very least it disproves your unspoken assertion that the Iranians are primarily to blame for their problems when it’s been proven that the most powerful intelligence agencies on the planet were actively destabilizing their societ…

Mossadegh was elected but was also illegally trying to dissolve parliament. >at the very least it disproves your unspoken assertion that the Iranians are primarily to blame for their problems I'm very clearly stating that the Shah in particular was highly likely to have removed Mossadegh either way due to a multi-decade power struggle between the Pahlavi dynasty and the parliament /prime minister. The Majlis as a riv…

> Mossadegh was elected but was also illegally trying to dissolve parliament.

You’re being too liberal with meaning of “illegal” here.

There was a referendum to dissolve the Parliament then.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by nephihaha »

yonixw wrote: post #88
alistairSH wrote: post #55

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Yes, they do. For example, only 60% of Equinix’s DCs use closed loop, non-evaporative cooling systems… https://www.cdotrends.com/story/4492/balancing-energy-and-wa...

Am I missing something? How data centers in US/EU evaporating water thousand of miles from Iran affect it? Does it disturb the rain cycle in Iran or something?

Iran will probably roll out data centres, as will other countries.

I wasn't speaking specifically US/EU.

A theocracy having that level of access to people's private info will be interesting.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by nephihaha »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #70
alistairSH wrote: post #55

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Yes, they do. For example, only 60% of Equinix’s DCs use closed loop, non-evaporative cooling systems… https://www.cdotrends.com/story/4492/balancing-energy-and-wa...

And coal, gas CCGT and nuclear electricity plants to power them also use water to cool the steam.

Yes, they do, but Iran's nuclear development has been somewhat interrupted.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by margalabargala »

acyou wrote: post #265

I'm not sure if people realize this, but Iran suffered more than any other nation during WW2, including Poland, Japan, the Philippines, China, and that's saying something. As a neutral country, I believe they have had something like 25% fatality rate during the war. This can be seen as the knock on effects from the downfall of the Persian and Ottoman empires, and to a greater extent the destruction of the Persian civ…

Whether or not that is true is heavily disputed.

Most academic sources say the death toll of the famine was modest.

The only source for a 25% fatality rate is based on US State Dept population figures for Iran over time, not on any actual Iranian sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_famine_of_1942%E2%80%9...

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by nephihaha »

neoromantique wrote: post #222
alistairSH wrote: post #55

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Yes, they do. For example, only 60% of Equinix’s DCs use closed loop, non-evaporative cooling systems… https://www.cdotrends.com/story/4492/balancing-energy-and-wa...

So? If anything, evaporated water could lead to more rainfall in Iran, not less.

It would have to be a lot more than that. As a rule, rain is produced by large lakes and seas, and some evaporation from tree cover. At a guess, I suppose Iran would get precipitation from the Gulf and Caspian, maybe the Mediterranean to a lesser extent, and some of their water renewal must be off snow melt.

I flew over Iran many years ago. Much of it reminded me of central Australia. Very arid and desolate, but beautiful from thousands of feet up.

Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by [deleted] »

neoromantique wrote: post #222
alistairSH wrote: post #55

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Yes, they do. For example, only 60% of Equinix’s DCs use closed loop, non-evaporative cooling systems… https://www.cdotrends.com/story/4492/balancing-energy-and-wa...

So? If anything, evaporated water could lead to more rainfall in Iran, not less.

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Re: After ruining a treasured water resource, Iran is drying up

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Post by spwa4 »

a2tech wrote: post #25
KeplerBoy wrote: post #21

So the sanctions will eventually work and topple the regime?

In 10 years there won’t be a regime in Iran because Iran won’t exist as it does today. With the collapsing water table people are going to be forced into either death or migration. I don’t want to be a doom and gloom guy, but the climate change collapse is starting to happen in front of our eyes—and not just in a far off ‘eventually this will be a problem’ way.

There is more water in Iran than before global warming, not less. Oh and in other places where there is less water due to global warming, like Spain, there is no water shortage.

Sorry but this one is just 100% the fault of the government involved. It could have easily been prevented and it was known to the month when it would happen decades in advance, nothing was done.

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