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Thin desires are eating life

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Post by lucyjojo »

WhatsTheBigIdea wrote: post #177

I really like this article. I bake bread. I have spent a good deal of time optimizing the recipe for deliciousness but also for time efficiency. Proving in a warm oven is a great tip. Also baking two loaves at a time! All this nit picking about writing style is disappointing. I like that this person got their ideas out there. They are good ideas. Legible and easy to parse == good enough. I don't care about the writin…

there are waves of people like us. it's the zeitgeist of the era for a sub-category of coders/hackers.

i, too, started baking sourdough bread. and DIY, electronics, music for myself.

i suspect a double digit percentage of that subcategory also dabbles in lisp/clojure/emacs and another double digit subsection abandoned AAA for indie gaming. and a single digit percentage might have enjoyed ruby in the old times.

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Post by lucyjojo »

esperent wrote: post #137
fn-mote wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the bread is just as flavorful “Thin bread.” No sourdough enthusiast or artisanal bread baker would agree. You even get a different metabolic pathway active at higher temps. Try the “low and slow” method, rise then let it sit a day in the fridge, see if it’s really the same taste.

I run a sourdough bakery with my partner, as it happens. Although I'm not a baker, coming from a mathematics background I'm the one most focused on process and quality control. We don't use any commercial yeast so I've picked a few things related to targeting different flavors using the same starter. We use different temperature profiles during proofing for different products (we have fancy proofing fridges where we…

sorry to ask but this is a rare occasion...

i started trying to make sourdough bread 2 weeks ago (and baking/cooking at all).

is there 1 definitive book/youtube channel/other kind of resource you would recommend to put mut on a solid path for a few months/years?

i just want to make sourdough bread daily in order to have healthy stable carbs at home. (stone milled complete grain flour and wild yeast). with the price of rice currently in japan it doesnt even look to be significantly more expensive.

Re: Thin desires are eating life

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Post by esperent »

lucyjojo wrote: post #272
esperent wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run a sourdough bakery with my partner, as it happens. Although I'm not a baker, coming from a mathematics background I'm the one most focused on process and quality control. We don't use any commercial yeast so I've picked a few things related to targeting different flavors using the same starter. We use different temperature profiles during proofing for different products (we have fancy proofing fridges where we…

sorry to ask but this is a rare occasion... i started trying to make sourdough bread 2 weeks ago (and baking/cooking at all). is there 1 definitive book/youtube channel/other kind of resource you would recommend to put mut on a solid path for a few months/years? i just want to make sourdough bread daily in order to have healthy stable carbs at home. (stone milled complete grain flour and wild yeast). with the price o…

I'm sorry to say I don't have any answers for you, at least nothing better than you'd get from searching on to r/sourdough or r/baking.

Like I said, I'm not a baker. My partner is. My focus is on other parts of the business, I was just sharing what I have picked up (via osmosis mostly) about different temperature profiles for different products.

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Post by bigfishrunning »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #228
bigfishrunning wrote: post #98

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You're kind of the opposite of a slow LLM. LLMs don't look anything up, they enthusiastically assert that they're correct. They have no desire to know anything.

LLMs don't look anything up, they enthusiastically assert that they're correct. Says someone who lectures on how LLMs worked two years ago.

https://openai.com/index/why-language-models-hallucinate/ https://cdn.openai.com/gpt-5-system-card.pdf

according to openai, the least likely model to hallucinate is gpt-5-thinking-mini, and it hallucinates 26% of the time. Seems to me the problems of LLMs boldly producing lies are far from solved. But sure, they lied years ago too.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #274
CamperBob2 wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs don't look anything up, they enthusiastically assert that they're correct. Says someone who lectures on how LLMs worked two years ago.

https://openai.com/index/why-language-models-hallucinate/ https://cdn.openai.com/gpt-5-system-card.pdf according to openai, the least likely model to hallucinate is gpt-5-thinking-mini, and it hallucinates 26% of the time. Seems to me the problems of LLMs boldly producing lies are far from solved. But sure, they lied years ago too.

according to openai, the least likely model to hallucinate is gpt-5-thinking-mini, and it hallucinates 26% of the time.

You're not so bad at hallucinating, yourself. We find that gpt-5-main has a hallucination rate (i.e., percentage of factual claims that contain minor or major errors) 26% smaller than GPT-4o ...

That's the only reference to "26%" that I see in the model card.

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Post by andai »

andai wrote: post #260

>From the perspective of a frictionless global marketplace, all of this is pure inefficiency. The frictionless traps you in an infinite web of bullshit. We need more friction at this point, not less. A frictionless todo app affords cognitive bloat. A frictionless communication medium affords noise. Friction is natural and healthy and we heave deleted it.

To expand on this, friction is merely selection pressure. That which filters the signal from the noise.

The gems are lost in the sea of bloat.

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Post by lucyjojo »

esperent wrote: post #273
lucyjojo wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry to ask but this is a rare occasion... i started trying to make sourdough bread 2 weeks ago (and baking/cooking at all). is there 1 definitive book/youtube channel/other kind of resource you would recommend to put mut on a solid path for a few months/years? i just want to make sourdough bread daily in order to have healthy stable carbs at home. (stone milled complete grain flour and wild yeast). with the price o…

I'm sorry to say I don't have any answers for you, at least nothing better than you'd get from searching on to r/sourdough or r/baking. Like I said, I'm not a baker. My partner is. My focus is on other parts of the business, I was just sharing what I have picked up (via osmosis mostly) about different temperature profiles for different products.

aaah... thanks for the answer though!

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Post by grvdrm »

ianstormtaylor wrote: post #47

I can't help but feel that this article was written in a format that is the textual equivalent of thin desires… Every sentence is separated into its own paragraph, like each one is supposed to be revelatory (or maybe tweet-worthy). It's pretty common design knowledge that if you try to emphasize everything, you end up emphasizing nothing. The result is that reading the article feels choppy, and weirdly unsatisfying,…

I've seen this author's work elsewhere like Substack/Threads.

Good article, good writer.

But this whole post reminds me of a series of 1 or 2-line tweets. And I think that's the point. It's almost written as a series of scheduled posts that dribble out once a day for the next X days. Write once, re-purpose many times.

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Post by R_D_Olivaw »

WhatsTheBigIdea wrote: post #177

I really like this article. I bake bread. I have spent a good deal of time optimizing the recipe for deliciousness but also for time efficiency. Proving in a warm oven is a great tip. Also baking two loaves at a time! All this nit picking about writing style is disappointing. I like that this person got their ideas out there. They are good ideas. Legible and easy to parse == good enough. I don't care about the writin…

HN particularly has this "let me critique their writing style and write them off because of it" kind of undercurrent to every blog thread.

I guess it's just the way programmers operate, the text is just code, and they don't like the way it's written. Or, some tendency to boast how it should have been written.

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Post by bigfishrunning »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #275
bigfishrunning wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://openai.com/index/why-language-models-hallucinate/ https://cdn.openai.com/gpt-5-system-card.pdf according to openai, the least likely model to hallucinate is gpt-5-thinking-mini, and it hallucinates 26% of the time. Seems to me the problems of LLMs boldly producing lies are far from solved. But sure, they lied years ago too.

according to openai, the least likely model to hallucinate is gpt-5-thinking-mini, and it hallucinates 26% of the time. You're not so bad at hallucinating, yourself. We find that gpt-5-main has a hallucination rate (i.e., percentage of factual claims that contain minor or major errors) 26% smaller than GPT-4o ... That's the only reference to "26%" that I see in the model card.

I get that in the age of AI, you didn't want to read the data i linked; that's fine. your ctrl-f search found a reference to 26%. However, on page thirteen, the rate is described as 0.26; I interpreted that as 26% because it's cross referenced in the blog post that i also linked.
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