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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by richwater »

wasmainiac wrote: post #268

I never connected my smart tvs to the internet. I buy the cheapest TV (at the size I want) and connect an old laptop, lid closed, and a cheap mini keyboard. It does everything I want, never updates itself with unwanted features and never shows me ads. Been doing this for 10 years, why would anyone actually want a smart tv.

The problem is this doesn't really work anymore with Widevine protected content. You are not getting Widevine L1 protected content through Windows or other type of home desktop operating system. Even without L1 content, platforms like Youtube won't serve 5.1 surround unless it's through an app and not the browser.

I'm not saying you need a smart TV, but if you want to get the content you're actually paying for via Netflix, HBO etc in the highest quality they offer, you'll need to fork over money for a device with dedicated hardware

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Post by nerdponx »

binary132 wrote: post #61
nerdponx wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.

“Not have a TV at all” is a perfectly reasonable choice many people are making now.

Sure, that works for TVs. Less so for things like refrigerators and cars. Getting fixated on one particular market obfuscates the big picture.

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Post by amanzi »

pfych wrote: post #35
amanzi wrote: post #33

I have an LG TV purchased about 3 years ago. It had a bunch of "AI" features from day one, but mostly related to improving the picture quality dynamically based on what's on the screen. I disabled all of that stuff, so I guess I'll be disabling this too. The LG software is horrible on this TV. Great picture quality, but I would never recommend an LG TV just because of the software.

It's crazy to read this because I came from a Samsung TV/Display - LG Software is so much better than that! Really wish we'd get dumb displays with these great panels :(

We also have a Samsung TV, and I much prefer the Samsung software over the LG. Neither is great though.

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Post by MDTHLN »

embedding-shape wrote: post #242
Angostura wrote: post #154

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> possibly selling that data with third parties. Nope. According to the privacy policy

The privacy policy literally includes that they do? > We provide some non-personal data to our advertisers and strategic partners that work with Apple to provide our products and services, help Apple market to customers, and sell ads on Apple’s behalf to display on the App Store and Apple News and Stocks. For example, we may share non-personal data about your transactions, viewing activity, and region, as well as agg…

I'm not refuting that they don't sell your data, I haven't checked. But your link is not relevant to the discussion.

It's the privacy policy of the Apple TV app, not the Apple TV device.

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Post by jncfhnb »

kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

Mini pc + HDMI. Oh look, everything is free and no ads

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Post by scld »

mikkupikku wrote: post #258
scld wrote: post #249

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You're acting as if your personally held philosophical beliefs aren't contradicted by some of the most famous minds in history.

How interesting! These great minds you speak of, are they objectively great, or only subjectively? If they are only subjectively great, then why should a lazy appeal to them sway me? And if they are objectively great minds, then how does that not acknowledge my premise? I'm teasing you, I do acknowledged that there are great minds, past and present, who disagree with me. And I trust you can acknowledge the same, ther…

That I acknowledge there are great minds on both sides of the debate means that I wouldn't treat it as a hard fact when talking about it in an online forum, which was the explicit point of my response.

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Post by tstrimple »

isoprophlex wrote: post #193
alias_neo wrote: post #187

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Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

Happy apple tv user for > 5 years now. It has icons for the apps you want to start on the home screen. You click the icons. The apps start. It's connected to a samsung tv that's not allowed wifi access. Besides the bad and steadily worsening UX of streaming apps like Netflix, my setup itself never shows me any ads. Also the apple tv remote has a very solid, premium feel, which i like

I just wish the remote wasn't so small that I can never find it after my girls use it. I've just gotten used to using the phone app.

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Post by tstrimple »

BizarroLand wrote: post #270
alias_neo wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

A cheap used mini desktop with a linux install on it is also a good way to go. Throw in a wireless mouse and keyboard and you can do not only what an AppleTV or Android box does but also everything a cheap used mini pc can do. Even something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/127547167640 Would be a media powerhouse compared to almost any set top box you can buy. Throw OpenElec or OSMC on it for simple media setup o…

Apple TV 4k has an idle power draw of 0.49W and a 4k streaming power draw of 2.31W. That mini desktop will likely run at around 20W idle and approaches 30W under relatively light load and up to 60W on high loads. Plus keyboard and mouse are generally terrible couch devices. I've already got a NAS and plenty of devices I can stream from. The Apple TV is an almost perfect small and efficient device to stream to.

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Post by drnick1 »

goku12 wrote: post #245
aembleton wrote: post #227

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Doubt it, 99% of consumers will connect it to the internet. The remaining 1% will be blocking ads everywhere making the data rather useless and potentially poisoned.

That's what I'm talking about. They'll gradually make it harder to use it without going online. May be by increasing the bootup times. Eventually they'll remove that option altogether. Isn't that what happened with Windows login? We can also expect them to add RF devices like 6G modems as they become more common. These corporations aren't going to leave that choice to you.

The choice is not to buy those devices if it comes to that.

Car manufacturers also do similar things (onboard 4G/5G modem), and one solution (other than driving an old car) is to disconnect the cellular modem. Of course the issue is that few people know there is one in their cars in the first place, so they are unknowingly snooped on.

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