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The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Post by darkwater »

throw10920 wrote: post #267
frank_nitti wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm well I certainly inferred the same from their comment: it casts “big tech” as the victim of the government, because the latter forced as “overpriced and shitty solution” It’s possible they’re not a capitalist and just extremely sympathetic to Apple and/or Google specifically, but that seems more of a stretch than what that commenter (to whom you’re replying) has inferred IMO

Your assumption is equally incorrect, because the poster factually did not say anything like that . You can be upset at the EU for making performative regulation without addressing "real issues" or writing the regulation well, and yet still support strong regulation. The implication that criticizing the EU is equivalent to being a "hyper-capitalist" is such an insane belief that it borders on being farcical. Assumpti…

Reading the original comment, I would say that's you giving it a creative interpretation.

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Post by throw10920 »

darkwater wrote: post #271
throw10920 wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your assumption is equally incorrect, because the poster factually did not say anything like that . You can be upset at the EU for making performative regulation without addressing "real issues" or writing the regulation well, and yet still support strong regulation. The implication that criticizing the EU is equivalent to being a "hyper-capitalist" is such an insane belief that it borders on being farcical. Assumpti…

Reading the original comment, I would say that's you giving it a creative interpretation.

Reading my previous comment, anyone with decent reading comprehension can tell that I'm describing a possible interpretation. I'm clearly not assigning it as fact, as echelon is.

I can also explain exactly why echelon's interpretation is unfounded, yet you cannot make any coherent argument and are forced to resort to allusions and baseless accusations stemming from a failure to read what I wrote. Although, that's consistent with a failure to read what ralph84 wrote, too.

Re: The EU made Apple adopt new Wi-Fi standards, and now Android can support AirDrop

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Post by JustExAWS »

cyberax wrote: post #205
JustExAWS wrote: post #147

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There were hundreds of devices on Amazon that never paid Apple a fee to use Lightning. And as far as USB C on Macs, are you complaining that Apple used an industry standard port?

No, there weren't. Lightning cable have an authentication chip, and while it was cloned towards the end of the lifecycle, most accessories still utilized official chips.

I have been buying cheap knockoff lightning devices since my iPhone 5 at least. I can guarantee that random Chinese manufacturer wasn’t selling lightning cables in bundles of 5 for $10 using officially licensed anything from Apple.

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Post by fundatus »

yaro330 wrote: post #117
fleahunter wrote: post #94

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Google most likely reimplemented AWDL, and the article is wrong. Sure the EU's actions will affect the optics, but Apple will be in the clear if they decide to nuke this.

If that is true it now is much harder for Apple to nuke this though. Because all eyes would be on them.

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Post by Aefiam »

vineyardmike wrote: post #159
usrnm wrote: post #9

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Apple also helped develop USB C more than a decade ago, they still had to be forced to actually use it in their phones. There is no contradiction here

Apple said from the day that they made lightning cables that it would be supported for 10 years. They literally contractually guaranteed that to third party manufacturers in exchange for them creating a massive availability of cables for Apple users. The EU “forced them” to switch to the standard they helped develop (USB C) on the 11th year after developing lighting. I’m sure it was all the EUs doing.

The iphone could have had both usbc and lightning, so if they cared about that they would have done it.

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Post by fmajid »

chasil wrote: post #262
fmajid wrote: post #207

I've ditched AirDrop for LocalSend, which is universally cross-platform (iOS, macOS, Linux, Android) and works very well. It's not a complete substitute, it doesn't work in the case of completely casual sharing between devices that are not connected to a shared WiFi network, however.

I did not know that LocalSend had been ported to iOS and MacOS. I had previously used the built-in webserver for transfers from Android to Apple. I do have much greater luck with LocalSend transfers when I tether them to my own WiFi prior to transfer.

Yes. The only caveat is that since LocalSend isn't blessed by Apple, it isn't automatically invoked and you have to start it manually to receive.

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Post by monocasa »

matwood wrote: post #231
monocasa wrote: post #187

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Apple had to be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting usb-c on the truly mobile devices.

Apple was clearly moving towards usbc (which they helped develop). Their laptops and iPad pros had moved along with the pro phones. To think the EU the reason usbc came to the iPhone is ignoring the clear path Apple was on. At best they put it in the rest of the phone line a generation early. Any fight that Apple put up was performative and them not wanting any sort of precedence to be set.

Their laptops never had lightning, so there was no "moving along". And iPad Pros moved because they're trying to create a product niche that people use like a laptop/desktop, but where Apple actually gets that sweet, sweet App Store money for all software on the device. In that niche, people expect actual expandibility to access stuff like large disk storage, and the App Store money greatly outweighs the patent money from lightning.

If apple had planned to drop lightning, we wouldn't still have rhe crappy USB2 controllers backing that port on those SoCs that would still would have been under development when the EU decision came down.

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Post by monocasa »

systemtest wrote: post #242
monocasa wrote: post #188

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I haven't seen Apple say anything like that, all I saw were analysts saying that Apple's long term commitment to the format meant that you could expect a decade or so of lifetime like the previous 30pin connector. Do you have a citation for what you're saying?

Phil Schiller announced Lightning as the modern connector for the next decade back in September 2012 during the release of the iPhone 5.

That's not a contract.

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Post by lsaferite »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #243
dijit wrote: post #59

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just don’t apply too much pressure or the center segment can bend over time, becoming weak and prone to potentially snapping off. It happened to me at least.

I've never had an issue with this with Samsung. Hell, I don't think I've even cleaned out lint once on my current S24U over a couple years. Idk how you other people are brutalising your phones tho.

If you put your phone in your pocket, little bits of lint get in the port. Just tiny little bits. Then, when you use a USB-C plug, those tiny bits get compacted. Over time this results in a thin layer of compacted lint in the bottom of the port. Eventually this layer is thick enough that the USB-C cable won't positively lock onto the port. It'll still work, but it'll disconnect if you move it sometimes and just start to feel finicky.

I have to clean my port maybe once a year or so. I wait until the cables aren't locking and then I clean it out. The dental pick makes it easy and you are just dislodging that compacted mat of lint and removing it. Conversely, my wife never has the problem. Her phone never goes into a pocket, just her purse.

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Post by kouru225 »

sharperguy wrote: post #225
grimblee wrote: post #191

Oh, look what "over-regulation" does, forcing companies to comply to standards so they can't vendor lock-in their users (this happened with the iphone charging port too, from the apple specific port to usb-c). Guess this type of consumer-benefic changes wouldn't happen in the land of "freedom".

It's likely that without laws such as the DMCA, there would already be easier, legally legitimate ways to circumvent Apples technology preventing interoperability. So as usual the new regulations try to cancel out the problems caused by the previous regulation, while having their own side effects that require future regulation to cancel out, ad infinitum.

Why would that be likely
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