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Depends a lot on the oil field, geology is random
none of those finished products come out of the ground that way.
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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends a lot on the oil field, geology is random
none of those finished products come out of the ground that way.
Neither do chips, even if they all start as silicon from the ground. What the earlier comment was saying is that the actual composition of crude oil varies by location so you aren't necessarily getting the same ratio of finished products at the process. With silicon you have a bit more control over what goes into the fab. But you're still at the mercy of demand from the market.
Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
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There's some new half assed ECC type of RAM, not sure the name. Was reading a series of displeased posts about it. Can't seem to find it now.
On die ECC for DDR5. Which corrects locally but does not signal the host or deal with data between the die and the CPU.
Thanks, drove me bananas trying to find that again.
Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
#274So, like, we were already pretty much priced out of higher-end graphic cards, and now it's happening to RAM. All this while jobs are disappearing, layoffs are ongoing and CEOs are touting AI's 'capabilities' left and right. Next is probably CPUs, even if AIs don't use them that much, manufactures will shift production to something more profitable, then gouge prices so that only enterprises will pay for them. What's n…
> Where the f*k is all the abundance that AI was supposed to bring into the world? In the hands of the owners of the AI, as a direct consequence of the economic system. It was never going to play out any other way.
> In the hands of the owners of the AI
With a hundred bucks and a Robinhood account, you too can be part of this greedy, evil and mysterious "owners of AI" class and (maybe) some day enjoy the promised spoils.
Oh the wonders of Capitalism, the economic system offering unequal abundance to everyone caring to take part... Where are the other, much touted systems, masters at spreading misery equally?
Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
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> Where the f*k is all the abundance that AI was supposed to bring into the world? In the hands of the owners of the AI, as a direct consequence of the economic system. It was never going to play out any other way.
Yeah, I'm always confused why programmers seem to like this technology given the vast negative consequences it will likely have for us. The upsides on the other hand seem to be the most insignificant things.
> upsides on the other hand seem to be the most insignificant things
An abundance of intelligence on Earth with all its spoils: new medicine, energy, materials, technologies and new understandings and breakthroughs - these seem quite significant to me.
Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
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It's a sad trend for "the rest of us" and history in general. The economic boom of the 80's thru the 2010s has been a vast democratization of computation - hardware became more powerful and affordable, and algorithms (at least broadly if not individually) became more efficient. We all had supercomputers in our pockets. This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and…
> This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and less access to RAM, computing power and food and...uh...GPUs to play Cyberpunk; and are dependent on Altermanic aristocracy to dribble compute onto us at their leisure and for a hefty tithe. Compute is cheaper than ever. The ceiling is just higher for what you can buy. Yes, we have $2000 GPUs now. You don't have to b…
The problem is the VRAM segmentation.
A GTX 1080 came out in the first half of 2016. It had 8 GB of VRAM and cost $599 with a TDP of 180W.
A GTX 1080 Ti came out in 2017 and had 11 GB of VRAM at $799.
In 2025 you can get the RTX 5070 with 12 GB of VRAM. They say the price is $549, but good luck finding them at that price.
And the thing with VRAM is that if you run out of it then performance drops off a cliff. Nothing can make up for it without getting a higher VRAM model.
Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
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$760 on NewEgg! Yeeezus Christ. Literally 50% of what I spent on the entire build just on RAM.
I bought that exact model on 11/1/2024 @ $164.99
Luckily I bought my extra 32G of DDR4 (now have 64G) used a while ago, only paid like 80€ for it. I remember back in like 2018 or so when I originally build this PC I got 4x4G DDR4 for like 160€ when prices were also crazy.
Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a sad trend for "the rest of us" and history in general. The economic boom of the 80's thru the 2010s has been a vast democratization of computation - hardware became more powerful and affordable, and algorithms (at least broadly if not individually) became more efficient. We all had supercomputers in our pockets. This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and…
> This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and less access to RAM, computing power and food and...uh...GPUs to play Cyberpunk; and are dependent on Altermanic aristocracy to dribble compute onto us at their leisure and for a hefty tithe. Compute is cheaper than ever. The ceiling is just higher for what you can buy. Yes, we have $2000 GPUs now. You don't have to b…
> Yes, we have $2000 GPUs now. You don't have to buy it. You probably shouldn't buy it. Most people would be more than fine with the $200-400 models, honestly. Yet the fact that you could buy a $2000 GPU makes some people irrationally angry.
This is missing the forest for the trees quite badly. The 2000 price GPUs are what would've been previously 600-700, and the 200-400 dollar GPUs are now 600-700. Consumers got a shit end of the deal when crypto caused GPUs to spike and now consumers are getting another shitty deal with RAM prices. And even if you want mid range stuff it's harder and harder to buy because of how fucked the market is.
It would be like if in your example companies literally only sold F-150s and stopped selling budget models at all. There isn't even budget stock to buy.
Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
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> Where the f*k is all the abundance that AI was supposed to bring into the world? In the hands of the owners of the AI, as a direct consequence of the economic system. It was never going to play out any other way.
Ding ding ding. What a surprise that a system designed not for human flourishing but pure profit would actually deliver massive profit with no regard for human flourishing. Humanity will have to adopt new human-focused modes of living and organizing society, or else. And climate change is coming along to make sure the owning class can't ignore this fact any longer.
> a system designed not for human flourishing but pure profit
But please, don't be coy: tell us about that other system that is designed for "human flourishing" - we're dying to learn about it.
Because I grew up under communism and I lived its miserable failures: the non-profit system didn't even manage to feed, cloth or warm/cool us.
> new human-focused modes of living and organizing society
Oh, these sounds sooo promising. Please do tell us: would you by any chance be willing to use force to "convince" the laggards of the benefits of switching? What if some refuse to believe your gospel? Will you turn to draconic laws and regulations?
Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage
#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's only meaningful if you have enough disposable income to invest that it eventually (and I don't mean in 50 years) makes a dent against your living expenses. If you make $4k/mo and rent is $3k, it's pretty silly to state that it's a meaningful thing for someone to scrimp and invest $100/mo into a brokerage account. They definitely should do this, but it's not going to have any meaningful impact on their life for d…
Rent should not be more than 1/3 of your income so moving to an appropriate place will let that person save an extra 2k a month. It would take a year instead of a decade to have invested 24k.
Rent should not be more than 1/3 of your income but to get an income you usually need to be in a place where rents are more than 1/3 of such income.