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Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by rstuart4133 »

MengerSponge wrote: post #179
tw04 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all the initial PR they got, they've always had quality issues that rarely plague other manufacturers. Elon has just done a great job of creating a reality distortion field around the cars. Once he started getting into politics and the veneer started wearing off, people started asking questions. I think people forget the Model 3 literally had the bumper falling off from driving in rain. And it took Tesla a LONG t…

Fit and finish is wildly variable. Panel gaps on the 3 and Y can be huge! I can tell which model in my office parking lot is mine solely based on the trunk and rear quarterpanel gaps.

Only for US made Tesla's. I live in Australia. We get Chinese made Tesla's here, and they have better fit and finish than the BYD's (as good as most other cars you care to name).

It's odd. The USA can make quality cars. Not Lexus quality, but cars you would be happy to own if they weren't so expensive. USA Tesla is the counter example. It makes you wonder about those self promoting stories from Elon about he saved the USA Tesla manufacturing operation by roving the manufacturing plants, making tweaks here and there. Maybe his tweaks wasn't the great boon he made them out to be.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by reaperducer »

brewdad wrote: post #268
emptybits wrote: post #74

I dodged a bullet. I bought into the original heavy stainless steel exoskeleton concept, which they never delivered on. So they had my deposit. Then it took me a year and a half (!!) to get my deposit back from time of request, a dozen documented follow-ups on phone, email, and in-person at the stealership. Tesla’s excuse: While they were happy to take a Canadian’s money with fully refundable deposit terms, they had…

Does Canada not have chargebacks? This seems like a clear case for one.

Chargebacks are not forever. I can't speak for Canada, but where I am, after certain number of days, you cannot.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by reaperducer »

dh2022 wrote: post #117
SoftTalker wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was the concept as hideously ugly as the actual design? I still don't understand how people can drive those things in public.

The drivers probably have the mental development of a middle-schooler - these trucks are FIRE with 7-grader boys!

And all the 50+ guys who were into Stomper 4x4s as children.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by emptybits »

brewdad wrote: post #268
emptybits wrote: post #74

I dodged a bullet. I bought into the original heavy stainless steel exoskeleton concept, which they never delivered on. So they had my deposit. Then it took me a year and a half (!!) to get my deposit back from time of request, a dozen documented follow-ups on phone, email, and in-person at the stealership. Tesla’s excuse: While they were happy to take a Canadian’s money with fully refundable deposit terms, they had…

Does Canada not have chargebacks? This seems like a clear case for one.

We sure do. And it may have been. I was too patient and also morbidly curious how and when Tesla would resolve it.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by rootusrootus »

philistine wrote: post #264
rootusrootus wrote: post #255

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It's certainly a conversation worth having, but a fundamental difference between the CT and something like an F150 is utility -- the CT is unapologetically a lifestyle vehicle emphasizing form over function. A regular pickup is very utilitarian. I know it's fashionable to argue that half-ton pickups are very commonly used as lifestyle pickups too, but at least the design is clearly aimed at function over form. So the…

The design 100% has to change. There is a marketing battle for the highest hood, since it looks dope as fuck. We should mandate a maximum hood height for all vehicles that's dependent on driver visibility. When the next F-150 needs three steps to enter because the hood is too high and we woke up and mandated that pedestrian visibility needs to be maintained, then that's when change will happen.

It's been slowly increasing in size. Pickups last century were slightly smaller but not dramatically so -- if you look at like-for-like. A bigger driver of size IMO is the appreciate we now have for crew cabs. Those used to be rare to see on the road, now it's regular cabs that are extremely rare.

> When the next F-150 needs three steps to enter

This is mostly an aftermarket thing, and a superduty thing. My Lightning has running boards that are a little awkward to use because it isn't tall enough to justify them. I use them when getting in and out but only because they're otherwise in the way of my leg, not because the truck is hard to just step into.

My kids are old enough right about now that if Ford were to come out with an electric Ranger, I might trade. I do like how the midsize trucks drive (though the Lightning is quite remarkable in how well it drives for a half-ton size truck).

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by emptybits »

tejohnso wrote: post #92
emptybits wrote: post #74

I dodged a bullet. I bought into the original heavy stainless steel exoskeleton concept, which they never delivered on. So they had my deposit. Then it took me a year and a half (!!) to get my deposit back from time of request, a dozen documented follow-ups on phone, email, and in-person at the stealership. Tesla’s excuse: While they were happy to take a Canadian’s money with fully refundable deposit terms, they had…

What part of the stainless exoskeleton did they not deliver on? https://www.tesla.com/learn/superior-durability-cybertruck-h... I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if promises weren't kept or expectations not met. This is the same company that has a product called Full Self Driving that cannot fully self drive.

In 2019, Musk asked for deposits as he told the world "We created an exoskeleton ... the body and bed on a traditional body-on-frame design don’t do anything useful. They’re dead weight."

MotorTrend describes Tesla's failure well in their Nov 2023 teardown. Read the "Does the Tesla Cybertruck Have an "Exoskeleton?" section. Spoiler: It doesn't. The stainless panels are not load-bearing. The Cybertruck has a conventional unibody chassis.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-fact-checki...

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by masklinn »

stickfigure wrote: post #239
bryanlarsen wrote: post #133

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It looks like it's designed to inflict maximum harm, but it seems that it's actually less likely to kill you than an F-150 or Silverado or Ram. It has a lower hood height which is the aspect that has been hypothesized to be the reason that trucks kill pedestrians at a much greater rate than cars. I'm not trying to condone Cybertruck here. I hope the Cybertruck becomes a rallying cry to mandate pedestrian safety in th…

FortNine did a great rundown on this phenomenon last year: "Grilles That Kill" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuX-5E7xoU

NJB did as well: https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by toast0 »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #271
MengerSponge wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fit and finish is wildly variable. Panel gaps on the 3 and Y can be huge! I can tell which model in my office parking lot is mine solely based on the trunk and rear quarterpanel gaps.

Only for US made Tesla's. I live in Australia. We get Chinese made Tesla's here, and they have better fit and finish than the BYD's (as good as most other cars you care to name). It's odd. The USA can make quality cars. Not Lexus quality, but cars you would be happy to own if they weren't so expensive. USA Tesla is the counter example. It makes you wonder about those self promoting stories from Elon about he saved th…

> The USA can make quality cars. Not Lexus quality

Lexus makes cars in the US. They have Lexus quality by definition. :P

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by bryanlarsen »

rootusrootus wrote: post #275
philistine wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The design 100% has to change. There is a marketing battle for the highest hood, since it looks dope as fuck. We should mandate a maximum hood height for all vehicles that's dependent on driver visibility. When the next F-150 needs three steps to enter because the hood is too high and we woke up and mandated that pedestrian visibility needs to be maintained, then that's when change will happen.

It's been slowly increasing in size. Pickups last century were slightly smaller but not dramatically so -- if you look at like-for-like. A bigger driver of size IMO is the appreciate we now have for crew cabs. Those used to be rare to see on the road, now it's regular cabs that are extremely rare. > When the next F-150 needs three steps to enter This is mostly an aftermarket thing, and a superduty thing. My Lightning…

Pickups are about 10 inches taller now than they used to be. That seems like a lot to me.

According to the youtube video that a different commenter linked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuX-5E7xoU), lowering the hood height by 10 inches will make the truck 81% less likely to kill a kid in a collision.

Re: Tesla Is Recalling Cybertrucks Again

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Post by toast0 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #109
tejohnso wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of the stainless exoskeleton did they not deliver on? https://www.tesla.com/learn/superior-durability-cybertruck-h... I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if promises weren't kept or expectations not met. This is the same company that has a product called Full Self Driving that cannot fully self drive.

Was the concept as hideously ugly as the actual design? I still don't understand how people can drive those things in public.

Hideously ugly can grow on you. After many years of seeing them, I now covet an xB (the original design, not the bubbly redesign that didn't sell).

Not sure I'll ever appreciate a beefcake DeLorean though.

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