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Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy

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Re: Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy

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Post by pembrook »

bitpush wrote: post #212
scotty79 wrote: post #178

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> They should sell their stuff by mail if they hate open culture so much. Does open culture mean free? Are you willing to work for free? It is perfectly OK to sell goods in exchange for money, which is what NYT is doing. I dont know why you're so upset with it. You cant walk into Apple Store and except to walk away with a free iPhone. Then why are you expecting to "walk" into nytimes' website and walk away with free…

The problem isn't that a news site is monetizing with a paywall. Totally fine, monetize how you want!

The problem is that prominent news orgs have lobbied governments all over the world to threaten google, apple, etc. for preferential treatment so these paywalled articles get prominent placement in various feeds and carousels and recommendation algos.

As a small publisher you'll never get this same preferential treatment if you throw up a paywall.

Creating the bizarre situation where big tech platforms feel they have to recommend paywalled articles from NYT/Bloomberg/etc, catfishing users right into a paywall when they click on headlines. This is essentially spam.

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

JCM9 wrote: post #247
thorum wrote: post #234

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> Our long-term roadmap includes advanced security features designed to keep your data private, including client-side encryption for your messages with ChatGPT. We believe these features will help keep your private conversations private and inaccessible to anyone else, even OpenAI.

This sort of thing is pretty trivial to implement from the start, they just chose not to because they wanted the data themselves

Hah. I seriously doubt it is even close to trivial. Especially when they are to exist on any device you use the service from.

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Post by mapontosevenths »

etchalon wrote: post #111
mapontosevenths wrote: post #20

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> To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. The constitution is clear that the purpose of intellectual property is to promote progress. I feel that OpenAI is on the right side of that and this is not IP theft as long as they aren't reproducing others work in a non-transformative way. Trai…

If they're reproducing NY Times articles, in full, that that is non-transformative. That's the point of the case.

> That's the point of the case.

No, its not. See the PDF of the actual case below.

The case is largely about OpenAI training on the NY Times articles without permission. They do allege that it can reproduce their articles verbatim at times, but that's not the central allegation as it's obviously a bug and not an intentional infringement. You have to get way down to item 98 before they even allege it.

https://nytco-assets.nytimes.com/2023/12/NYT_Complaint_Dec20...

Re: Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy

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Post by vmh1928 »

"we built a tool using other people's copyrighted content and now they're suing us and want to know how much use the customers of our "other people's content" tool made of the copyrighted content we used to train the model. Thank you for your attention and outrage over this matter."

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Post by brandonmenc »

stackedinserter wrote: post #123

WTF with all these comments. Regardless on OpenAI reputation and practices, I don't want NYT or anyone else to see my conversations, I completely agree to OpenAI here.

Agree. Everyone would be singing a different tune if say, Fox News were asking for this.

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Post by ferngreen »

rockskon wrote: post #201
immibis wrote: post #176

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Both OpenAI and NYT are bad. I don't know about NYT's privacy policy, because that's not really the industry they're in, but they did admit to fabricating a story that led to a now 2-year-long war, so.

Which story is this?

The Story Behind the New York Times October 7 Exposé https://share.google/2HB4zPEGi7x3JTYyj

Re: Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy

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Post by ferngreen »

rockskon wrote: post #201
immibis wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both OpenAI and NYT are bad. I don't know about NYT's privacy policy, because that's not really the industry they're in, but they did admit to fabricating a story that led to a now 2-year-long war, so.

Which story is this?

And their followups

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/28/new-york-times-daily-pod...

https://theintercept.com/2024/03/04/nyt-october-7-sexual-vio...

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Post by NewJazz »

terminalshort wrote: post #237
wkat4242 wrote: post #120

If OpenAI hadn't used data from the NYT without permission in the first place this wouldn't have happened. That is the root cause of all this. I'm glad the NYT is fighting them. They've infringed the rights of almost every news outlet but someone has to bring this case.

They infringed nothing. Two judges have already ruled that training on copyrighted data is fair use https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/two-california-distr...

But displaying regurgitations of very similar content may not be fair use. Fair use is a very delicate affair. One factor is whether the modified work poses as a market replacement for the original work.
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