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Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the point of applying for "hundreds of jobs." I think use the time to network with real people and forget about Indeed or whatever because those jobs are mostly fake anyways.

The people you know aren’t always in a position to hire you.

They are sometimes in a position to hire you.

I'm not in the field any longer, but when I was (pre-LLM) every job I got save one was through my network. And it's 100x more important now.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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post #59
post #10

(Australian not an American here) You’d very quickly rise to the top of the public sector My brother in law is only in his mid 20s and is in charge of half a dozen engineers No nepotism (we honestly know no one) just leaping from the right firm to the public sector at the right time Look for government consultant jobs or even better straight engineering roles

You must have gotten lucky that Accenture didn't infect your agency and shift large project engineering positions under them and then out to India.

In the EU, this is not possible. Public Sector accounts are unable to be staffed with Bangladeshi/Indians/Pakistanis etc. developers due to strict time zone requirements and GDPR regulations. They are also highly reluctant to near-shore, as they're dependent on people implementing local laws and regulations - meaning if you don't know the language, you're usually out.

The result of this is that Accenture and co. staff with local people on-site for public sector accounts.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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post #135

Two initial thoughts: 1. This author's writing is extremely, uncommonly good. Good enough to write a book and have it sell. "Competing with the past of the economy," "residual behaviour of a world that treated labour as sacred," "immigration without immigrants" -- there are many elegant turns of phrase here. This is a very skilled writer. 2. His resume is designed poorly. Have a look. I'm not surprised his job search…

I can't really agree. I mean you scroll 1 paragraph down and it says he worked a Google Deepmind, that's really all I'd need to see. I think the market is just super hard for new grads. I've heard from people that had to apply to hundreds of companies and do 20+ interviews to get something. Totally agree that this guy could write books though. On some level I always wonder if it'll be better for society if the next g…

You say that you can't really agree [about the resume being poorly formatted from having too much text?], but then you agree that there's too much text (if all you need to see is the 1 item of "Google", then you're saying there's firmly too much text, like 95% of the resume is useless).

Also consider that the resume has too much text in a pre-LLM world (e.g. this submitter doesn't structure documents for consumption very well, but I'll still read it). Post-LLMs, using an essay-format would make me suspect that the submitter didn't even write it (taking the time to read it is a big gamble).

Not to detract from the article's palpable despair. I genuinely can't say for certain that "well if they made their resume less verbose they'd definitely get hired", because I suspect there's a good chance they still might not. But it probably wouldn't hurt.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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post #42

To the people at the top, the job market is a statistic. They can't feel empathy on an issue they're so disconnected from, so they just think it's not their problem, or there isn't much they can do about it. Technological innovation is supposed to mean society can produce more with less work, so in theory everyone's lives could end up better off over time where we could all work less and get more, but in practice, I…

> so in theory everyone's lives could end up better off over time

they did. The innovation that happened in the past 100 years meant that almost everyone (in the west at least, and in a lot of developing nations too) has the access to transport, clean water, electricity, information/communications etc.

And because everyone has it, people such as yourself see it as a baseline, and forget that it is benefits being received that they didnt invest in personally. This is what the tide that lift all boats are - and because everybody is lifted, those who complain about lack of the trickle down sees the high-flyers benefiting enormously while their own benefits aren't "visible".

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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post #132

Two initial thoughts: 1. This author's writing is extremely, uncommonly good. Good enough to write a book and have it sell. "Competing with the past of the economy," "residual behaviour of a world that treated labour as sacred," "immigration without immigrants" -- there are many elegant turns of phrase here. This is a very skilled writer. 2. His resume is designed poorly. Have a look. I'm not surprised his job search…

His CV is fine, better than most of the CV's I've seen recently which are just tech-wank-word bingo.

That's what you need to get through ATS. Resumes are for HR. Unless specifically asked (or e.g. directly emailing someone around here) save the fireworks for the interview.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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As a high schooler in 2008, I watched my family struggle. Pay cuts, temporary furloughs, and constant stress became normal. The same for my friends and their families. The vestiges of 90s excess and advancement were over.

At that time I realized my American Dream of becoming an engineer was just that: a dream. A shared illusion we all propped up until we couldn't. So, I turned down engineering schools, took a year off to work in a coffee shop, and went to university for a Bachelors in Fine Arts.

I figured: if I was going to be unemployed and living paycheck to paycheck, I might as well follow my own dreams and try to have fun doing it.

Only a few years after graduating, I'd return to engineering—computer programming instead of robotics—but that experience has always stuck with me.

Almost 20 years later, I feel the same gut-punch as I see whats happening to young people.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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post #68

I’m not saying people should get jobs they are way overqualified for, but I believe there are many in these situations who choose to be unemployed rather than work in jobs that they could do in their industry.

Where are and what are these jobs in the tech industry that people are turning down?

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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> The industrial nations of the twentieth century were built around the idea that work was the organising principle of life Hopefully this is what changes. If, for example, AI reduces labor needs by 50%, we ought to gradually move to a 20 hour work week. Consumption patterns would change— the Covid years provide some very limited guidance on how such a dynamic would be shaped by changing the demand for different form…

Wishing and wanting will never achieve anything because those who own the businesses never cede anything voluntarily. They'll demand ever more productivity for less pay. There will be ever more homeless people, greater inequality, and ever more skewed power law distribution of wealth until people stop selling themselves short and start voting with their wallets, feet, and sweat.

After the ballot box, the cartridge box.
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