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Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Do you not realize how much of a constant, non-trivial challenge identifying foreign nationals is for immigration officials? Forged identities, corrupt/bribed document offices, stolen identites, state-backed agents, etc are all a constant threat. These are not citizens, these are foreigners electing to seek the privilege of entering a country that is not their own. Using technology to mitigate these very real threats…

> Do you not realize how much of a constant, non-trivial challenge identifying foreign nationals is for immigration officials? ... These are not citizens, these are foreigners electing to seek the privilege of entering a country that is not their own. Who cares? You used to not even need a passport at all for international travel.

Yeah because international travel was fucking hard, took weeks or months, killed half your party, and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you didn't exactly have a welcoming party anywhere you went. What a wild take.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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If by "reality" you mean "the universe", then the way the universe is depends on a cause, as the existence of the universe is not explained by the universe itself (even an "eternal" universe). Its existence is contingent on some other cause that ultimately cannot be contingent and thus does not require explanation. So the cause or dare I say reason for the universe being the way it is will depend on its cause.

The universe just is that way because it is. THAT is the root cause.

That's not a cause. That's a tautological assertion that obscured by the use of the word "because".

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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If by "reality" you mean "the universe", then the way the universe is depends on a cause, as the existence of the universe is not explained by the universe itself (even an "eternal" universe). Its existence is contingent on some other cause that ultimately cannot be contingent and thus does not require explanation. So the cause or dare I say reason for the universe being the way it is will depend on its cause.

I feel like the language of this argument is self-undermining. The existence of the universe being dependent on a cause that is itself not contingent on anything else… As easily the existence of the universe could be not contingent with anything else.

> As easily the existence of the universe could be not contingent with anything else.

But the universe is contingent. It isn't necessary. It is one big chain of dependence.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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This behaviour is just because their IT system doesn’t allow regular users to search for names, just for birth dates. Then they pick you by name from a list of people with that birthday.

Names are not unique

So what? The person on the counter doesn't care at all about your privacy. They just cannot type your name into a search box, they have to ask for your birth date first before they can select you from a list based on the name that you state afterwards. At least that's the case at many doctor's offices I've been to.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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post #138

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This behaviour is just because their IT system doesn’t allow regular users to search for names, just for birth dates. Then they pick you by name from a list of people with that birthday.

This is nowhere near the only use of the "birthday + name == all info" hack in the US medical industry. It's basically one big giant frat club with shakes and implicit trust all around. Except that it doesn't actually work; you can fake being a doctor to just about any US medical office and get nearly any American's private medical data.

Exactly. This is just snake oil. No idea why I'm getting downvoted for stating the truth: the employee doesn't care about privacy. They don't use the birthdate because they think it's more secure, the ask for it because they have to.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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> the root problem is not incompetence, it's that half of America wanted exactly this, for a second time now. That is the same psychology I described in the GP: Instead of looking in the mirror and figuring out what they need to do better, they blame outside forces. It's victim psychology - powerless, someone else's fault, etc. Your group failed; people didn't vote for it because you are well-known quitters and whine…

> Instead of looking in the mirror and figuring out what they need to do better, they blame outside forces. I'm not American, so let me ask you: what do you think they should have done better? Maybe a not presenting a woman candidate? I ask because that's the most common denominator in their last two election losses.

> what do you think they should have done better?

Take a good position - the GOP leaves the field wide open, maybe as simple as 'Liberty and Justice for All' (part of the American pledge of allegiance that everyone knows) - and fight for it, stand up for yourself, against all enemies and attacks, and fight until you win. Take punches, never go down, keep going, have a winning strategy and keep going until it works. Nobody will believe in you until you do it.

The Dems never confront the GOP and always fold. I think if they fought, successfully, for almost any policy, they'd attract a lot of support.

> the most common denominator

Not at all. How about they were Democrats, Senators, .... If it stand out the most to you, maybe ask why?

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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The universe just is that way because it is. THAT is the root cause.

That's not a cause. That's a tautological assertion that obscured by the use of the word "because".

And you have an implied axiomatic assertion that everything must have a cause, even though that necessarily results in an infinite recursion of cause-finding.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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What do you mean? We know quite well how electromagnetism arises from U(1) symmetry in gauge theory. What else is there to know?

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In science, it is the same thing.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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post #276

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> Instead of looking in the mirror and figuring out what they need to do better, they blame outside forces. I'm not American, so let me ask you: what do you think they should have done better? Maybe a not presenting a woman candidate? I ask because that's the most common denominator in their last two election losses.

> what do you think they should have done better? Take a good position - the GOP leaves the field wide open, maybe as simple as 'Liberty and Justice for All' (part of the American pledge of allegiance that everyone knows) - and fight for it, stand up for yourself, against all enemies and attacks, and fight until you win. Take punches, never go down, keep going, have a winning strategy and keep going until it works. N…

> Not at all.

With a straight face lmao

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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post #274

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Names are not unique

So what? The person on the counter doesn't care at all about your privacy. They just cannot type your name into a search box, they have to ask for your birth date first before they can select you from a list based on the name that you state afterwards. At least that's the case at many doctor's offices I've been to.

What do you mean so what? How does asking for a name help if it comes back with a list of multiple people with the same name? Adding the birthday makes it (much closer to) unique
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