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Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #244
8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #51

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What would you pick for your next laptop if you had to buy one? I had an Asus laptop, but the frequent security firmware updates for one of the Dell laptop that I had makes me think it might make a good candidate in terms of keeping up with security updates. Not sure for the current latest models for Asus/Dell/HP/etc., but I liked the fact that disassembly manuals are provided for older Dell and HP. I can hardly find…

My girlfriend's 2 year old Asus Zenbook had easy to find repair manuals and was pretty repairable. Though consumer laptop naming conventions make googling for it error prone. The main problem was parts. She had a fan that was defective and noisy, and the Asus parts store didn't have it in stock, and there was one on ebay for $30. But the replacement was easy, the construction was solid, and there have been no issues…

> repair manuals and was pretty repairable

Very interesting, I might consider Asus laptops if repair manuals can be easily found.

Can you point me a direction to find it?

From my experience, Asus does not provide any official repair manuals on the specific laptop site. Googling for model keywords doesn't seem to provide any good sources, aside from the typical YouTube videos but these sometimes misses/skips specific instructions/techniques that are mentioned in official Dell/HP repair guides. Will be glad to finally have reliable sources to get Asus repair manuals.

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> If you have to do this more than once or twice over a ten year lifespan of a laptop, you probably should invest in air cleaning systems.

If you're referring to home/work area air filters I don't think its possible since the mentioned laptops are not mine. Unless you mean there's a heatsink cleaning tool that cleans the exhaust fins without disassembly? I'll gladly consider this tool if it means I don't have to do a disassembly.

Unfortunately (or fortunately?), I'm the go-to repair guy in the family. Not unusual to find the fans spinning at high with clogged exhaust + likely old thermal paste (not sure for thermal pads helped much but I used new ones anywhare while the laptops disassembled anyway).

While typing this, I recalled one of the old Dells that had to have the bottom cover assembly replaced more than once, the plastic part of the bottom cover holding the metal hinge mechanism is absolutely terrible. Thankfully the specific part numbers in the repair manuals made it easy to order replacement parts.

Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

tombert wrote: post #199
8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you pick for your next laptop if you had to buy one? I had an Asus laptop, but the frequent security firmware updates for one of the Dell laptop that I had makes me think it might make a good candidate in terms of keeping up with security updates. Not sure for the current latest models for Asus/Dell/HP/etc., but I liked the fact that disassembly manuals are provided for older Dell and HP. I can hardly find…

I am a pretty huge fan of Thinkpads. I bought mine a year ago and love it.

Thinkpad is also one of my consideration.

Did you choose the T line or X1 line of Thinkpad? What do you think of your current Thinkpad?

The P Thinkpads hardware looks great but is out of my budget, and I don't see how I'll use it at the moment.

Maybe I might need for local usage in the future, but currently I did most model training on Google Colab A100 and general purpose code editing are done remotely.

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Post by scns »

usrusr wrote: post #157
kondro wrote: post #42

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Thunderbolt 5 supports up to 120Gbps one-way.

Just don't try putting something convenient in between, at least that's what my adventures in TB4 taught me: displayport from a TB port works fine, even when DP goes to a multiscreen daisychain and the TB does PD to the laptop on the side, but try multiscreen through a hub and all bets are off. I think it's the hubs overheating and I've seen that even on just 2x FHD (Ok, that one was on a cheap non-TB hub, but I also…

How about putting the dock at the end of the chain, after the monitors, does that work?

Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by Kon5ole »

mrguyorama wrote: post #236
dmayle wrote: post #221

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I've been using an 8k 65" TV as a monitor for four years now. When I bought it, you could buy the Samsung QN700B 55" 8k, but at the time it was 50% more than the 65" I bought (TCL). I wish the 55" 8k TVs still existed (or that the announced 55" 8k monitors were ever shipped). I make do with 65", but it's just a tad too large. I would never switch back to 4k, however.

What do you watch on an 8K TV? There's no content Average bitrate from anything not a Bluray for even HD is not good, so you do not benefit from more pixels anyway. Sure, you are decompressing and displaying 8K worth of pixels, but the actual resolution of your content is more like 1080p anyway, especially in color space. Normally, games are the place where arbitrarily high pixel counts could shine, because you could…

>There's no content

This is exactly why 8K tv's failed in the market, but the point here is that your computer desktop is _great_ 8k content.

The tv's that were sold for sub-1000 usd just a few years ago should be sold as monitors instead. Replace the TV tuners, app support, network cards and such and add a displayport.

Having a high-resolution desktop that basically covers your useable FOV is great, and is a way more compelling use case than watching TV on 8K ever was.

Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by usrusr »

scns wrote: post #273
usrusr wrote: post #157

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Just don't try putting something convenient in between, at least that's what my adventures in TB4 taught me: displayport from a TB port works fine, even when DP goes to a multiscreen daisychain and the TB does PD to the laptop on the side, but try multiscreen through a hub and all bets are off. I think it's the hubs overheating and I've seen that even on just 2x FHD (Ok, that one was on a cheap non-TB hub, but I also…

How about putting the dock at the end of the chain, after the monitors, does that work?

That would require monitors supporting daisy chain in the first place and I never had any problems with them anyways. Likely related to not using a full on hub but a minimalistic dongle with a DP outlet, a PD inlet and a USB outlet (which then goes to a USB hub switch managing access to simple hubs serving all those low bandwidth peripherals like the mouse).

The failing hubs were either driving cheap office displays connected through HDMI or high resolution mobile displays connected through USB-C. Few of those support anything like daisy chaining or at least simple PD passthrough so that you can use the same port for driving the display and powering the laptop, and I absolutely do want dual mobile displays. Even if only so that I can carry them screen to screen for mutual protection of the glass.

Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by mrguyorama »

8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #271
mrguyorama wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My girlfriend's 2 year old Asus Zenbook had easy to find repair manuals and was pretty repairable. Though consumer laptop naming conventions make googling for it error prone. The main problem was parts. She had a fan that was defective and noisy, and the Asus parts store didn't have it in stock, and there was one on ebay for $30. But the replacement was easy, the construction was solid, and there have been no issues…

> repair manuals and was pretty repairable Very interesting, I might consider Asus laptops if repair manuals can be easily found. Can you point me a direction to find it? From my experience, Asus does not provide any official repair manuals on the specific laptop site. Googling for model keywords doesn't seem to provide any good sources, aside from the typical YouTube videos but these sometimes misses/skips specific…

>Googling for model keywords doesn't seem to provide any good sources

Shit, I think I lied! I think I may have just found a youtube video that opened it up. Maybe I found a manual, but you are correct that ASUS does not seem to easily provide those manuals!

>If you're referring to home/work area air filters I don't think its possible since the mentioned laptops are not mine

Duh, that make sense. I once worked tech support at our college and the state some people would get their laptops in was crazy. I once pulled a baseball sized clump of fur out of a small laptop fan.

Really sorry for misleading you. Working there gave me some amount of confidence to just open up random computers.

Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by stephenr »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #257
eertami wrote: post #203

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If you have 20/20 vision, a 27" display at 1440p (~110 DPI) has a visual acuity distance of 79cm - ie, if you are sat 79cm or further away from the screen, humans are not capable of resolving any extra detail from a higher resolution. High refresh rate 1440p IPS screens are very widely available at good prices, so it isn't that crazy that people choose them. Phone and laptop have higher DPI screens of course, but I'm…

That's a common misconception. That acuity calculation is based on knowing nothing about the image; imagine applying it to arbitrary noise. When you have things like lines and edges your eyes can pick out differences an order of magnitude finer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperacuity

Thanks for pointing this out.

It's always been a weird topic - science (appears to, due to the aforementioned misconception) say one thing, and yet I have eyes and see a difference that the science says I shouldn't see.

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Post by precompute »

jeroenhd wrote: post #145
precompute wrote: post #104

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Hey, I think that's a great idea, too. 4K panels on phones (tiny!) exist for some absurd reason. But somehow there are no 22" 4K monitors. I think they probably don't sell well. Probably the same reason why all monitors are 16:9.

At one point there was the ASUS ProArt PQ22UC, but I don't think that panel was produced after that stopped selling. If you go slightly bigger, there are the ASUS ProArt PA24US, Japannext JN-IPS2380UHDR-C65W-HSP, ViewSonic VP2488-4K, AG Neovo EM2451, and the UPerfect UColor T3.

Thank you. I'll look out for these on second-hand markets.

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Post by tombert »

8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #272
tombert wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a pretty huge fan of Thinkpads. I bought mine a year ago and love it.

Thinkpad is also one of my consideration. Did you choose the T line or X1 line of Thinkpad? What do you think of your current Thinkpad? The P Thinkpads hardware looks great but is out of my budget, and I don't see how I'll use it at the moment. Maybe I might need for local usage in the future, but currently I did most model training on Google Colab A100 and general purpose code editing are done remotely.

I bought the P16S AMD Gen 2 with 64 gigs of RAM. It was about $1600 a year ago.

It was one of the few laptops I could find that wasn't absurdly expensive and had a 4k screen, so I was kind of pigeonholed into it, but I've been really happy. It was one of the easiest Linux installs I've ever done, and it's been holding up fine. The only thing I don't like about it is that the speakers are kind of shit, but for a laptop that doesn't bother me too much since if I want to listen to music I probably wouldn't use a laptop speaker regardless.

[1] https://www.lenovo.com/us/outletus/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thi... I'm not sure they sell the 64GB model anymore.

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Post by theshackleford »

sim7c00 wrote: post #128
theshackleford wrote: post #107

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Most people lack an understanding of displays and therefore what they are quoting and are in fact quoting the vendors claimed pixel response time as the input lag. It’s gotta be the most commonly mixed up things I’ve seen in the last twenty years as an enthusiast.

well atleast i didn't misunderstand my own lack of understanding :D ... - the part of feeling the difference in response times, that's true though, but I must say, the experience is a bit dated ^^ i see more high resolution monitors have generally quite slow response times. <1ms was from CRT times :D which was my main counter-striker days. I do find noticable 'lag' still on TV vs. monitor though but i've only tested…

> I still use CRTs :) However more than input lag, for me its motion. Which is driven by panel response times and I just cant stand even the best modern OLEDs for motion unless its 240hz and up.

> I do find noticable 'lag' still on TV vs. monitor though

Yeah you likely will to be honest. Most even average monitors will be single digit, 1-2ms maybe at most. Depending upon TV model, game mode may only get you to low double digits. High end panels should get you to pretty low single digits though, like 4-5ms.

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