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What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by buyucu »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #97
buyucu wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trusted computing is just another name for vendor lock-in. It was never about security.

A more generous explanation is that it might be both — vendor lock-in also happens to be a security measure. Having important info on your device and having that device accessible to the wild, wild, internet is a very real problem. If the "walled garden" is a flawed solution we should work on a better one.

Anyone who thinks that vendor lock-in is a security feature didn't learn a thing from the Crowdstrike incident last year. The biggest security incident in the history of the entire internet was caused by a cybersecurity ''vendor''.

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by fingerlocks »

swiftcoder wrote: post #134
detourdog wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be turned off on your Mac if that is what you want.

So far, yes. It's getting hardware with every release. First you had to click approve in a dialog to launch unsigned software. Later you had to right click -> "open" -> then approve. Now you have to open system settings to find the button to show the approval prompt. Meanwhile to install a kernel extension you now have to reboot into safe mode and disable part of system integrity protection (with big warnings that it…

You can also just resign the binaries in one quick CLI command. That can’t go away because it’s baked into the post-compile build stages of Mac and iOS apps. So relax, this thread is all a bunch of silly FUD.

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by rolandog »

everdrive wrote: post #67

It's important to understand that we could genuinely lose general purpose computing. I don't think it's in serious danger at the moment, but we've been in the midst of a slide in that direction for the last 10-15 years. Part of it is mobile phones, part of it is TPM, part of it is market forces. The latest turn is strictly political. We've really foolishly built the technology necessary for authoritarianism just a fe…

This! I think we were all too naïve in having "we would never let it happen, right?" be the motto for our complacency and inaction.

I hope more people come around and recognize that Richard Stallman deserves a big, resounding "you were right, we're sorry" after being attacked for his dislike of "trusted computing" and TPMs [0].

[0]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.en.html

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by npodbielski »

MisterTea wrote: post #226
npodbielski wrote: post #186

Which means that in the future will be less engineers and software developers because they never had a chance to learn. And if somebody will know how all of this works really, they won't be working for peanuts. So in an essence all of those companies are eating their own tails. Which is expected since all of it is driven by the stock exchange executives that are interested only by short term profit. Yes it will be te…

I'm sure there are people in high places believing this is not important because AGI.

Which would be fine, if AGI would be real. It is not yet and even if this would be around the corner it would be rather like in some movies: giant computer with tones of equipment, security and personnel making it work. Ah and giant nuclear reactor powering it too. Till we will be having autonomous robots that have intelligence built-in into it, does not require constant connection to some server and can run for few days on internal power... I do not see it happening.

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by swiftcoder »

fingerlocks wrote: post #272
swiftcoder wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far, yes. It's getting hardware with every release. First you had to click approve in a dialog to launch unsigned software. Later you had to right click -> "open" -> then approve. Now you have to open system settings to find the button to show the approval prompt. Meanwhile to install a kernel extension you now have to reboot into safe mode and disable part of system integrity protection (with big warnings that it…

You can also just resign the binaries in one quick CLI command. That can’t go away because it’s baked into the post-compile build stages of Mac and iOS apps. So relax, this thread is all a bunch of silly FUD.

If you are a developer, with the developer tools installed, sure. That's already well out of reach of the average user.

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by isolay »

> [Apple] promised apps with no viruses and no risks; a place where everything was curated and safe.

Apart from the viruses, nothing of the above is true any more. Apple doesn't care if you're getting screwed over by an app, and neither does Google. If they can increase their profits by taking away our freedom and/or control over "our" devices, then it WILL happen, as sure as death and taxes.

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by M95D »

trentnix wrote: post #123

The rot is so much deeper than just running what you want on your own machine. And how we got here is easy to explain. There was once money it letting you run what you want on your machine. Now there's money in not letting you run what you want on your machine. And so, that's what we get. There exists no path where a publicly traded company doesn't eventually view its customers as subjects. Every business school on t…

It all happens because of people's greed.

The companies that make stuff could easily be beaten in the market by a non-profit competitor. With no worries about stock market prices and dividends, a non-profit could direct all it's money into making better products.

But the problems are that 1) nobody wants to work for a non-profit and 2) greed redirects the money away from better products into the founder's (or top management's) pockets. Firefox is an example.

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by aa-jv »

fingerlocks wrote: post #272
swiftcoder wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far, yes. It's getting hardware with every release. First you had to click approve in a dialog to launch unsigned software. Later you had to right click -> "open" -> then approve. Now you have to open system settings to find the button to show the approval prompt. Meanwhile to install a kernel extension you now have to reboot into safe mode and disable part of system integrity protection (with big warnings that it…

You can also just resign the binaries in one quick CLI command. That can’t go away because it’s baked into the post-compile build stages of Mac and iOS apps. So relax, this thread is all a bunch of silly FUD.

Yeah, haha. This is not FUD: try to do the same on iOS.

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by Bender »

bombcar wrote: post #225
Bender wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The codes exist but I think what they are saying is that in some places codes are not enforced or even checked. I live in somewhat of a "middle ground" where codes do exist and electrical is checked on a brand new build. They will also nag about septic inspections but will never actually get off their butts and do the inspection. Many such places do exist but they are usually places I would never want to reside . I k…

There are places that don't even have the regulations - or if they do, the number of explicit exemptions is so large as to easily drive an entire house through them.

Agreed. I should have clarified that is what I meant by there are places I can build literally anything. Of all of the places I found to be the case I would not want to reside in any of them. If one digs deeper they may find the local government to have corruption issues and county/state services are often not reliable or useful. Crime is usually high in such areas. There are probably a few hidden gems but it was not worth it to me to find them.

Re: What happened to running what you wanted on your own machine?

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Post by walterbell »

elric wrote: post #249
walterbell wrote: post #163

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Password managers are regulated as "important" software under EU CRA (Dec 2027).

Thankfully open source software is not subject to that, so FOSS password managers should be fine. Doesn't mean that other forces won't try to tear them down, however.

See the fine print, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45718665#45722286
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