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No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by mihaaly »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #48

Hope the PM in charge with the scammy copy designed to trick people into turning this on is happy with the boost in free users falling for it. My dad turned it on not knowing what it meant and it completely messed up his workflows and now I have to figure out how to safely disable it and move his files back. I will remember Microsoft causing this problem for him every time I think of or get asked if someone should us…

I wish they gave more attention to the many bugs.

One is the many many years old renaming trouble, renaming a file in Windows Explorer inside the OneDrive sometimes select all while I am alread typing extension to the end of the file name, clearing everything with the following keystroke, either resulting in something stupid saved on Enter if I do not realise what is happening (and being mad not remembering what the original name was), or just have to cancel and restart the renaming. Very frequent and annoying.

But a ... lets call it funny, so a funny trouble I recently discovered is that file name completely fine with Wndows is incompatible with OneDrive, OneDriva mandates me to "change the filename! change it!" (with different words but the same tone). What the f! Microsoft is not compatible with itself? : D What a clusterfuck. It is fairly new, I believe there are spaces in fron of the file name that is generated with some software I am trying, I don't care that much, nonessential, but very comedic. I have too much difficulty with using Windows to care with all the trouble and spend any time on those, I work around those, I increasingly give no f. (my work mandates Windows, ah!)

I also seen some sort of message box when a certain software tried to automatically open a newly created file in OneDrive, something like this: "The file http://sharepoint.blablabl/bla/bla/newly_created_file.ext" cannot be found. Whaaaat?! I work with a desktiop only software, it does not even care about internet connection. Saving the file to an ordinary folder works great, opens automatically. Sounds like at some point querying the full path of the file produces an internet address? Again, I give no sht to this crp that much to go ino and investigate and diagnose this hundredths of bug, just to have fruitless conversation a very understanding and very useless support guy or a forum audience suggesting how should I wrap my life around the stupidity of Windows.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by codingrightnow »

Podrod wrote: post #36

I used to use Windows Backup with One Drive years ago but it just really pissed me off, especially with how My Documents is handled. There was that time I discovered several GB of screenshots had been automatically saved to My Pictures from some setting they snuck into the printscreen screen grab tool and then that of course those were automatically uploaded to the cloud. After disabling the option it would sometimes…

I just bought my first windows 11 computer. Why are my personal folders like pictures and documents under a OneDrive folder? This is insane. Going to see how Ubuntu runs on it and hopefully never look back.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

barbs wrote: post #241
delusional wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Space is wasted everywhere. Sure, that's a reasonable technical criticism. Wasted screen space is, in my opinion, an issue in modern interface design trends. Good design uses space in a thoughtful manner. The designers of macOS clearly don't agree with us, but we can have a reasonable technical discussion about that. We can consult the data. We can consult the users. > It's Fischer-Price design philosophy You're mi…

It objectively does feel like a toy with those rounded corners though. How do you know Fischer-Price wasn't consulted?

It doesn't seem like a toy to me. Therefore, it is not objective but is just your subjective opinion. Which is fine, but don't overstate your opinions as being objective when they aren't.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by brianwawok »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #213
keyringlight wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's the curse of windows being attached to a tech company, and a tech company seems to want to keep pursuing cool things™ instead of boring maintenance on a utility. Over the years lots of little extra non-essential functionality has crept into windows to where you could almost compare it with a lightweight linux distro, or that it's hard to draw the line where the OS ends, and then you're getting into terri…

> cool things™ instead of boring maintenance on a utilit You can't re-sell a boring utility every one/two/three years. Nobody wants it - not the top management (bonuses for the revenue growth ), nor the middle management (bonuses for the succesful new projects), nor the guys who implements the things ( reconginition for the new projects). Or talking simpler - KPI. And there is no 'we improved the stability for 0.0000…

Stability, performance, security, all of this stuff doesn’t matter until it becomes a crisis, then it’s the most important thing in the world

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by close04 »

nolist_policy wrote: post #97
Podrod wrote: post #36

I used to use Windows Backup with One Drive years ago but it just really pissed me off, especially with how My Documents is handled. There was that time I discovered several GB of screenshots had been automatically saved to My Pictures from some setting they snuck into the printscreen screen grab tool and then that of course those were automatically uploaded to the cloud. After disabling the option it would sometimes…

It's interesting how ChromeOS respects your choices more than Windows here. There is a setting to disable Google Drive and it just works. It won't auto-enable, no popups or nags or anything. Even Google Docs/Workspace falls back to a trimmed down offline version.

After setting up an Android phone for someone recently, I think it's stuffed with dark patterns. The amount of times that OS was pushing me to enable or opt-out from syncing different things to their cloud and generally sabotage the privacy via various settings was staggering.

Windows is certainly on the same path but I'm not sure how far ahead or behind they are in the competition to screw their users over with these dark patterns. They only have to trick you once.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

bigyabai wrote: post #93
delusional wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> feels like a toy for kids. I wish unserious complaining like this wasn't mixed with actual technical criticism of software.

It is very serious. I love the way Catalina and Mojave looks; dark mode or light mode, it just screams "professional" at the top of it's lungs. Big Sur is, somehow, the exact opposite. Corners are rounded off as if they could hurt someone, and margins are padded more than a cell in solitary confinement. Space is wasted everywhere. It's Fischer-Price design philosophy and I'm hardly the only one to point it out. In a…

I think that "serious" is not the right word here. But rather, saying "it's like a toy" is not constructive. When someone says "it looks like a toy" that tells me nothing about what they don't like about it. Saying "I don't like the rounded corners and wasted space" is something concrete you can have a discussion about, so it's better to use that kind of phrasing.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by McGlockenshire »

sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #179
dimator wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of the loop, why not?

An open source developer (the creator of Ruby on Rails and Omarchy Linux) made a political comment someone didn't like. Now there is a concerted effort by a small group of terminally online histrionics to ruin his life and get all his projects cancelled. The comment was apparently made on his personal blog and not in any official capacity.

> made a political comment someone didn't like

It should be noted that this specific framing ("it's just a disagreement," "someone didn't like it," "it's nothing big") is used by the people that, instead, like the "comment." It's an extremely common pattern. So is one of the words he uses later, "histrionics."

The comment in question is an ethnonationalist blog post. Not a comment somewhere, but an actual goddamn essay. But you don't have to take my word on it, you can read it yourself:

https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

You should also click through his archive for more, because this isn't really new for him, it's just taking it to a new low.

> by a small group of terminally online histrionics

Again, witness the minimization of the actual thing he said and the redirection to the critics. Why? It's the argument pattern they've adopted.

The term that the parent post would be looking for it actually "social shaming." You see, shame used to be an effective tool against bigotry. Not wanting to associate with bigots isn't histrionics. On the contrary, being OK with bigotry is bad, and wrong!

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #237
Podrod wrote: post #36

I used to use Windows Backup with One Drive years ago but it just really pissed me off, especially with how My Documents is handled. There was that time I discovered several GB of screenshots had been automatically saved to My Pictures from some setting they snuck into the printscreen screen grab tool and then that of course those were automatically uploaded to the cloud. After disabling the option it would sometimes…

> And game devs throwing random shit into My Documents was also fun. I hate this problem with all OSes. We have folders that started out being places for users to put things like Pictures, Documents & home, but over time they get filled with crap from software and it's difficult to find your own files. We should have had a "program-files" subfolder or something by default in all these places to separate things that a…

We do! On Windows, it's (user profile)\AppData. And to be fair, most software does use that. But there are always bad citizens that don't care and clutter up the user's documents folder.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by hulitu »

bonoboTP wrote: post #158
smileson2 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Face the facts your dad isn't as important as KPIs tied to one drive and 365 subscription numbers, don't blame the PM for making Microsoft money lol It's not even something you have to "fix" just pay and enjoy

It seems that after the 90s/00s MS hate, there was a period where MS was seen as the good guys, and "this isn't the same MS" etc. Seems to be turning around again.

> there was a period where MS was seen as the good guys

Some people are really naive.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by toast0 »

zwnow wrote: post #263
rootusrootus wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a Mac & Linux user since about 2007 or so, and I had no idea what Windows had become. Then a couple weeks ago I caved and built my son a Windows gaming PC. Egads, Windows is annoying! Even more so than I remember! I'm amazed that people actually put up with it for their daily driver. Right on schedule, my son came to me yesterday evening and asked what he should do about the backup warning. It didn't give a…

People dont care about their operating system. Most Mac users never learn Mac and most Windows users never learn windows. They use their computers for emails, some presentations and occasional gaming. They dont want to learn different kinds of software. Which is fine. For most people its just a power tool they never read the manual for. They dont even know what other tools there are so they dont know that life could…

> Most Mac users never learn Mac and most Windows users never learn windows.

Why bother when annual releases will change everything?

> For most people its just a power tool they never read the manual for.

What manual?

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