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Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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> "stay 100m away from tall structures" But then how do you deliver to the upper floors of vertical buildings? That must be half the near-term market for these kinds of drones: people in dense, urban areas well-served by local droneports, who are looking for convenience above all else. If you can't safely manage urban canyons—you can't manage. It'd be like selling self-driving cars that are only approved for private…

> But then how do you deliver to the upper floors of vertical buildings? Elevators, dumbwaiters, baskets and pulleys, or just go downstairs and get it yourself. Also, how tall are we talking? Where have you been where the upper floor windows actually open? edit: the more that I think about this, the more it bothers me. Getting close enough to a building to deliver a package through a window with a drone sounds incred…

>or just go downstairs and get it yourself.

Entirely defeats the purpose of ordering food.

Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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Speak for yourself. I want drones to deliver stuff directly to me.

Would be nice to have a sort of assistant drone. Pop open the sunroof "check how far up the road the traffic jam lasts".

I want my coffee lowered directly into my hand.

Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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post #207

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They should call in a bunch of robotics and PyTorch experts to investigate the code, actually, and preferably also submit a pull request to Amazon. Amazon should be required to pay this "squat team". The FAA does not have the expertise to diagnose this.

The code, all of it, is just an implementation detail. All that matters is real world behavior and its consequences.

And if it doesn't perform as expected in the world, all human efforts should be on fixing the actual code. Anything else, especially non-technical conversations, is a waste of human time.

Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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Drones can reach 1000 ft right? That’s only like 300m. Maybe Amazon doesn’t want to because it costs more battery?

Drones can reach much more than 1000ft, but in the US are not allowed to - 400ft flight ceiling. Ironically, one exception is flying within 400ft of a structure, as you can then go up to the top of the structure and 400ft above that point.

That's not true, commercial and municipal drones operate above 400ft all the time. Non-commercial/civilian drones piloted by someone without an FAA Part 107 certification and a waiver cannot fly above 400ft. Also, you are allowed to fly 400ft -above- a vertical structure (like a tower) up to 1000ft tall to avoid exactly this type of collision as long as you are within 400ft horizontally of the structure. EDIT: crud, I did not read your post carefully enough, sorry, you addressed this point exactly. My bad.

Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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And if injuries are later reported people will sneer that 'media always gets it wrong/lies'. If they use plain language and say 'we don't know if anyone was injured yet' then people will sneer that 'I could have wirtten that, they're trying to sensationalize a nothingburger.'

How about: "As of the time of writing, we don't know of any reports of injuries"?

There's no need to use 15 words when 9 will do.

Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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https://www.theverge.com/news/790636/amazon-prime-mk30-drone... gives more information, including that * No one was injured directly, but someone was treated for smoke inhalation * The drones "were flying back to back" * They hit the cable of a crane (including a link to a video showing the crane). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ZpY6qHcTk

>someone was treated for smoke inhalation

I'm mildly amused by this. It's an open air environment, did someone go stand over one of the crashed drones as it burst into flames and just, breathed deep? Glad they got treatment, plastic smoke is gross.

Also wow, the drones are massive, and apparently flying so low they will hit cranes putting things on single story buildings? That's so stupid.

Dear tech world: Please do not fly 80 pound projectiles just a few feet above my head at speed. Jeeze.

Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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China is way ahead here. There's now a Ministry of the Low Altitude Economy.[1] There's a Low Altitude Flight Service System, which is air traffic control for drones and flying cars. There are licenses for drone operators, categories of license, (advanced licenses require a flight exam), etc. China hasn't had much general aviation. There are very few private aircraft. So there was nothing like the US's FAA Flight Ser…

China has so little domestic general aviation that it is common for learning pilots to train in other countries!

Australia gets a lot of Chinese student pilots.

Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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"Crane" is a highly optimistic word for what looks like a telescoping boom lift. Edit: per below was actually a crane

Today I learned: Boom lifts, available in various models such as mini scissor lifts for sale, spider lifts, and tracked scissor lifts, offer excellent mobility, flexibility, and cost-effectiveness for many tasks. Cranes, on the other hand, are essential for heavy lifting and large-scale projects. I also learned that "spider lifts" look like something a bad guy drives in a sci-fi movie.

Boom and bucket lifts all conveniently say "Do not use as a crane"

It's so convenient to ignore too!

Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ

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> see and avoid Wires are somewhere between hard and not possible to see, visually. The "fix" for this might be "that kinda looks like it might be construction over there, go around".

Even very small and cheap lidar can see cables just fine. I work with 3d scanning lidar every day and I know this as a fact. They have no excuse there.

In the sun, at 50mph? 50mph sets the minimum range of the scan (related to the "full stop" distance and fully loaded maneuverability), which sets the acquisition rate and angular resolution requirement to see a thin cable at that distance. I suppose maneuverability would also set the FOV requirement.

Are there any commercial drones that do it "right", with LIDAR?

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