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Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

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Post by fullstop »

ndiddy wrote: post #245
paride5745 wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that Google is harming paying customers, and as a paying customer Proton respects me more and it is based in Europe, which is a big plus for me.

> Looks like Google wants to force people to use the WebUI instead of email clients (no google ads on IMAP/POP). I think that’s a valid criticism, but Protonmail also doesn’t allow people to use a standard email client. I agree with the parent commenter that it’s strange that you’re suggesting it as an alternative, especially when there’s services like Fastmail and Purelymail that both have accessible human support a…

I switched from Proton -> Fastmail and have been happy with the transition.

You get more "stuff" from a ProtonMail subscription, but I really just want email.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

ImJamal wrote: post #269
matheusmoreira wrote: post #263

Stop using gmail. I bought a Proton Mail subscription. Truly one of the best things I've ever done.

Proton doesn't support pop either?

I didn't need it. Alternatives like fastmail should be good in that case.

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Post by [deleted] »

internet2000 wrote: post #238
OhMeadhbh wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, we also frequently accessed the webmail jnterface. or at least I did.

> no, _we_ also frequently accessed the webmail jnterface We? Did you share an account? That's way bigger a red flag than using IMAP.

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Post by bookofjoe »

kevcampb wrote: post #253
Dennip wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a super annoying quirk, lots of things don't work well if you're using workspace as a normal gmail account, and they don't quite warn you up front.

Google converted my mum's Gmail account to a workspace account automatically. Now she can't use her bedroom alarm clock because it's connected to my dad's Gmail account and you can't share access to workspace accounts. It's stupidly maddening. And yes I realise that an IoT alarm clock is ridiculous, but that's not the point.

Off topic a bit: Facebook just converted my personal account to a professional account. I have no idea why. Although as I think about it for a moment, it might be related to the fact that I visit/use Facebook less than once a year....

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Post by Mistletoe »

jsheard wrote: post #258
Mistletoe wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried Proton and my test emails couldn’t even get through that I sent myself. Kept going to spam instantly. The big providers have us in a stranglehold here.

Did you set up the SPF/DMARC/DKIM authentication records on your domain? Those can make a huge difference to deliverability.

I don’t have a domain. It was Proton emails going straight to Gmail spam. I absurdly have even had similar issues on fresh virgin iCloud email accounts going straight to spam in Gmail.

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Post by potatolicious »

Dennip wrote: post #209
jsheard wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was paying $10/month for workplace and a couple days ago they froze my account because I was accessing it via IMAP. I used to pay for Workspace and left because a good chunk of features across all Google products simply didn't work with Workspace accounts, or were held back for a year or more after free Google accounts got them. It's a mess. Then they kept increasing the price for good measure, and there's no off…

This is a super annoying quirk, lots of things don't work well if you're using workspace as a normal gmail account, and they don't quite warn you up front.

It's pretty much my #1 example of Google's propensity for shipping its org chart.

Workspace accounts come with their own compliance requirements and edge cases that products need to handle, but rather than do that and provide a consistent user experience most product teams don't answer to the relevant PAs and so don't care, and Workspace accounts are a small enough minority of users that nobody has to care.

I've often railed against a particular way of doing product that's really common in our industry, but I suppose it's been a while so I'll do it again:

We have a real problem with metrics-driven product development, where we exclusively care about the 95% use case and actively disdain the 5% use cases.

On paper it makes sense - you direct your energies towards the highest-payback activities. But the problem is that every user falls into some 5% use cases, so a product that is purely made up of 95% use cases ends up becoming a patchwork that is frustrating to every user, somehow.

Rather than "product works great for 95% of users" you get "100% of users cut themselves on some corner of the product".

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Post by cpncrunch »

cortesoft wrote: post #71
Animats wrote: post #3

The linked page says that Gmail is discontinuing support for the old Post Office Protocol in favor of IMAP. Nobody has used POP much in years. Decades, maybe. IMAP can check for mail without downloading. But apparently Gmail doesn't support that. You can do this the other way round. Use a local email client such as Thunderbird on desktop or FastMail on Android to check Gmail and any other email accounts you have.

The deprecation is about the webmail version of Gmail. You can’t check other accounts while using the web version of Gmail.

It's a little unclear whether you will still be able to use pop3 on the mobile app or not.

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Post by f_allwein »

latexr wrote: post #190
manmal wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other account (over which I have no administrative control) does not support ARC. Yes I guess I‘ll just forward emails.

Unrelated, but I noticed this in your two comments and it seems to be something you do frequently—you’re using the wrong side of the quotation character as the apostrophe. You’re using ‘ but it should be ’. See the difference: I‘ll VS I’ll. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_single_quotation_mark

no, it should be ' (ASCII 39, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe )

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Post by NetMageSCW »

ianhawes wrote: post #227
paride5745 wrote: post #220

I already started to move most of my communications to ProtonMail. Looks like Google wants to force people to use the WebUI instead of email clients (no google ads on IMAP/POP). What's annoying is that they are impacting paying customers as well, which is quite bad.

I suspect this has much more to do with bad actors using automated means to access Gmail and send spam.

How does gmail using POP to retrieve messages to your account from your account with another service facilitate spam and how can the bad actor take advantage of that?

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Post by DamnInteresting »

pier25 wrote: post #270

Well fuck. I've been using this feature since I started using Gmail in 2007 or so.

I'm in the same boat, watching Google preparing to capsize it. I'm a paying customer, and they keep making my life more difficult.
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