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Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Except we don’t actually know the real ranges of values here, so our actual level of uncertainty is still infinite.

If your level of uncertainty is infinite then you're suggesting that abiogenesis could be happening every day in your back yard. I think you might admit we're a little more certain than that.

In the same sense that we could be certain that life never generated and we’re in a simulation, sure.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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post #269

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Except we don’t actually know the real ranges of values here, so our actual level of uncertainty is still infinite.

If your level of uncertainty is infinite then you're suggesting that abiogenesis could be happening every day in your back yard. I think you might admit we're a little more certain than that.

Really?

Life, once established, is about competition for niche resources. Established life would kick the polypeptides out of a protocell quite easily (with certainty > 99%).

Protocells could be evolving right now at vents in the ocean, with zero of them managing to escape their birthplace due to being outcompeted by things with fully developed organelles.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Isn't the most common scientific theory about the origin of the Moon that a big body collided with Earth? How can it be science fiction if most scientists currently believe this?

This guy thinks he's smarter than all those scientists. Consider his opinion accordingly.

If I'm so dumb then it should be easy to answer my question then.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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This guy thinks he's smarter than all those scientists. Consider his opinion accordingly.

If I'm so dumb then it should be easy to answer my question then.

Have you spent any time looking for answers? Wikipedia suggests Theia started on a similar orbit to proto-Earth. [0] In that case, a collision would have left the combined object on a similar orbit to both initial bodies. I actually didn't know this before, but found it in about 3 clicks from googling "theia impact earth orbit". I can't find a really handy source for it, but I also know from various sources that gravitational interactions among the objects in the solar system tend to reduce eccentricities of each others' orbits over time. The best I can find is [1], which probably did play a role even if it's not exactly what I'm thinking of.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant-impact_hypothesis#Possib...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_circularization

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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If your level of uncertainty is infinite then you're suggesting that abiogenesis could be happening every day in your back yard. I think you might admit we're a little more certain than that.

Really? Life, once established, is about competition for niche resources. Established life would kick the polypeptides out of a protocell quite easily (with certainty > 99%). Protocells could be evolving right now at vents in the ocean, with zero of them managing to escape their birthplace due to being outcompeted by things with fully developed organelles.

Fine, let me put it another way. Fill a test tube with simple chemical building blocks of life. Sterilize everything. If our uncertainty is infinite then we aren't willing to say whether metabolizing, reproducing life arises from scratch within five minutes every time we do it.

If you're willing to concede that in fact, that doesn't happen, then you're putting a limit on that parameter, just like the paper did.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Astrophysicsts would also call these "metals" (anything heavier than helium) so don't read too much into it. :D https://sentinelmission.org/astrophysics-glossary/metallicit...

Thank you, that does make me feel at the same time better as an individual and sadder about my expectations for the astrophysicists’ ability to draw anything resembling reasonable conclusions about the makeup of the celestial bodies.

There are different kinds of scientists to do that.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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If I'm so dumb then it should be easy to answer my question then.

Have you spent any time looking for answers? Wikipedia suggests Theia started on a similar orbit to proto-Earth. [0] In that case, a collision would have left the combined object on a similar orbit to both initial bodies. I actually didn't know this before, but found it in about 3 clicks from googling "theia impact earth orbit". I can't find a really handy source for it, but I also know from various sources that grav…

Nothing you posted answers the very basic question I had. Even the Wikipedia article says that the hypothesis doesn’t have any real answers because of all the inconsistencies.

Let me give you a pro life tip. When someone comes up with an extraordinarily complicated scenario or hypothesis and it can’t answer a very simple straightforward question, it most certainly means that the the hypothesis is wrong.

It’s all science fiction.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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Have you spent any time looking for answers? Wikipedia suggests Theia started on a similar orbit to proto-Earth. [0] In that case, a collision would have left the combined object on a similar orbit to both initial bodies. I actually didn't know this before, but found it in about 3 clicks from googling "theia impact earth orbit". I can't find a really handy source for it, but I also know from various sources that grav…

Nothing you posted answers the very basic question I had. Even the Wikipedia article says that the hypothesis doesn’t have any real answers because of all the inconsistencies. Let me give you a pro life tip. When someone comes up with an extraordinarily complicated scenario or hypothesis and it can’t answer a very simple straightforward question, it most certainly means that the the hypothesis is wrong. It’s all scie…

It answers your question pretty comprehensively, actually. Not my fault if you can't connect the dots.

Sure, there are still questions. But the questions for all the other explanations of the Moon's origin at even bigger. You can be skeptical, but until you have a better theory that accounts for all the evidence, you don't get to dismiss it as "science fiction". Not if you want to be taken seriously anyway.

Here's a life pro tip: The correct guideline for a theory is "as simple as possible and no simpler. The real world is complicated. Complicated things happen all the time.

Re: Earth was born dry until a cosmic collision made it a blue planet

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I'm not against piracy, and I love Anna's Archive... but publicly linking directly to a pirate source for something like this seems wrong. Could've just linked the Wikipedia page and let people acquire however they prefer. Anyway, sounds interesting, gunna add that to my list

It's 45 years old and the author is deceased. I assume you would be untroubled by a link to a copy of Macbeth . Where do you draw the line?

That’s newer than Star Wars and isn’t a huge piece of IP. To the estate a few book sales makes a difference.
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