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Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by bstsb »

zmmmmm wrote: post #267

There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

https://dash.cloudflare.com/?to=/:account/:zone/security/sec...

  (ip.src.country eq "GB")
then take action "Block". i know what you mean by a simpler option though

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by harvey9 »

mrtksn wrote: post #268
andai wrote: post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

> Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, Why? EU can just tell an LLM to build an alternative app, they can just tell it to make it user friendly and make no mistakes. That's the primary use case of Trillions of dollars of investment in GPUs and electricity to power them. JK(or am I?), a protest will be a boon for EU, which is growing Anti-American each and every day. The EU alternative…

If you think that's a lot of electricity, you're going to be amazed how much they can spend on bureaucracy before they even start building anything.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by mrtksn »

harvey9 wrote: post #272
mrtksn wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, Why? EU can just tell an LLM to build an alternative app, they can just tell it to make it user friendly and make no mistakes. That's the primary use case of Trillions of dollars of investment in GPUs and electricity to power them. JK(or am I?), a protest will be a boon for EU, which is growing Anti-American each and every day. The EU alternative…

If you think that's a lot of electricity, you're going to be amazed how much they can spend on bureaucracy before they even start building anything.

Electricity bureaucracy, whatever doesn't matter. Huge money is invested into making programmers obsolete and they are claiming that it already happens. If the tech is real, Europeans can just tell it to make them all these apps that American companies may choose to deprive EU to teach them a lesson.

If the AI tech is real then Europeans get their apps no need for American companies anymore. If the tech isn't real then the chat app makers(in Europe that's all Meta, WhatsApp + Messenger. Apple is a no go due to low market share) lose half of their revenue to teach Europeans a lesson. Europeans them switch to Signal, Telegram(Popular all over the place) or Viber(this one popular in Eastern Europe).

If they all decide to boycott, there you have opportunity to hit a 400M market. Let's say Europeans can make AAA games but can't code a chat app, give visa to US developers that were laid off for the last many years to come over. Maybe it's politically unpopular? Maybe they are not the best? That's fine, EU is an open market - anyone who is interested in making billions can just make a chat app and take over the EU market. Indians, Chinese, Turks, Africans, Americans that earn less than billions of dollars. It's a huge opportunity. Instantly.

Meta made $38.4 billion USD revenue in EU last year. It's very unlikely that no one will be interested in taking that. US companies aren't doing charity to EU, it's always their second largest revenue stream after USA.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by dragonwriter »

nadermx wrote: post #246
kimixa wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has always claimed jurisdiction on foreign-hosted but US-accessible content. Do people forget the owner of Megaupload being extradited? In many ways this is just catching up to the current US state. And there's a lot of confusion here between basic consumer data protection laws and (IMHO massively overreaching) "Online Safety" laws. This isn't Imgur making a stand for free speech, this is Imgur wanting to trac…

Megaupload is a weird one. He hosted in it the USA, giving USA jurisidction. Also it's still going through the courts in New Zeland and USA and hasn't been proven hes guilty. And if I recall he did alledge he followed the DMCA, which if he ever is extradited might save him if it is in fact true.

> And if I recall he did alledge he followed the DMCA, which if he ever is extradited might save him if it is in fact true.

It 100% won’t; there is no DMCA safe harbor for criminal conduct, only for a narrow category of civil liability.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by bee_rider »

andai wrote: post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

This article is about an existing UK law and Imgur, an image hosting site (although, it does have some social features).

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by dragonwriter »

nadermx wrote: post #238
KaiserPro wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so you can host a torrent site in the USA and not get your domain ceased by the FBI?

If you follow the DMCA I don't see why not.

The category of civil liability for which the compliance with the DMCA notice and takedown rules offers a safe harbor, first of all, doesn’t overlap with the conduct which constitutes criminal infringement but, more importantly, even if it did the DMCA safe harbor only applies to civil and not criminal liability in the first place.

“Following the DMCA” is irrelevant to anything the FBI would be involved in.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by teamonkey »

varispeed wrote: post #213
toomuchtodo wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it not hubris to call it "no loss" if, say, 3 hours ago, "Design of a LISP-based microprocessor / Page 22 has a map of the processor layout:" was forever lost to humanity, as collateral damage to some techbros' dispute? https://web.archive.org/web/20230427181813/https://i.imgur.c... (link is already dead at Imgur) Wayback will have them, as is tradition. A crawl (non IA) has been kicked off to reconcile to ensur…

archive.org is also blocked in the UK. I cannot access it without VPN.

I can, it’s not blocked.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by FinnKuhn »

andai wrote: post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

Why are we talking about the EU in this thread? I don't see how draconian UK laws relate to a proposed chat control law in the EU that hasn't even been drafted and would likely not survive a judicial challenge if it were to be approved.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by oncallthrow »

KaiserPro wrote: post #255
celticninja wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot delete your comments.

Are public comments in a public forum classed as private data under GDPR? for example the only thing that can really be classed as PII is my username. does it count as reasonable to request it be deleted?

Yes and yes. Google “right to be forgotten”
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