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EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by em-bee »

anttiharju wrote: post #245
j0057 wrote: post #82

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> Also this will completely disable any new phone OS' being developed. Why would anyone bother when you can't verify your wallet to do anything online. This already the case today, you can't run your bank's app or government eID apps on anything but Google or Apple devices.

> This already the case today, you can't run your bank's app or government eID apps on anything but Google or Apple devices. Fairphone 6 with e/OS begs to differ. Dutch phone with a French OS. No issues.

well, my bank's app does not run on /e/OS. i get some kind of security error

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Post by emigre »

Denmark has a digital ID service for its citizens called MitID which includes a 2FA system that can involve a smartphone app, but not necessarily. Citizens can request a code display device if they prefer not to use an app. There are also audio code readers for people with impaired vision.

The system works really well and it’s very convenient.

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

simjnd wrote: post #205
krzyk wrote: post #202

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This is good I think because lack of verifications anywhere is good. So at least desktops will be free of it.

Worse: You just won't be able to use websites on desktop unless you pull out your phone and verify.

I hope the push for verification leads to the normies learning the ways of identity theft. The fun really ramps up once they figure out free money tricks.

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Post by jacobgkau »

bonoboTP wrote: post #265
alexchamberlain wrote: post #252

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But what if my battery runs out?

They are verbose and vague about it: "Some passengers may be concerned about what they can do if they lose their phone or of their devices run out of battery before the pass board the aircraft. Ryanair has said they will assist people experiencing difficulties free of charge at the gate gathering their information and flight details which will be cross-checked and validated against the flight manifest so that they ca…

Of course-- there will be accommodations to start out with. Then, after the new system has become "just the way things work," the accommodations will be removed for security or efficiency or some other reason.

Or maybe not. I've never lost a boarding pass, but if you lose one, you can get it re-issued somewhere, right?

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Post by fh973 »

jeffrallen wrote: post #198

I looked into the Swiss version of this, which is documented here: https://swiyu-admin-ch.github.io/ They faced the same question. Here is their answer: https://github.com/orgs/swiyu-admin-ch/discussions/20 The tldr is that they have a legal requirement to bind "verifiable credential shares" with the same human who got the e-ID originally, up to the current best practical technology. On Android, they judge that to be…

Donald, is it you?

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Post by cortesoft »

bilekas wrote: post #3

This is a great example of how this whole requirement hasn't been properly thought out. > Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. What I would like to take from this is that, by their own definition, desktop apps are out of scope for Age Verification. So does that mean we will see a return of the 'desktop applications' instead of everything being a web service ? One can dream perhaps. Until then…

> This is a great example of how this whole requirement hasn't been properly thought out.

I think this is more an example of you misunderstanding the desires of the people pushing for this.

They want to actually ban this content, they just know that is a harder sell than restricting to adults. So for them, making it harder or impossible to access the content is a feature, not a bug.

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Post by chris_pie »

mrtksn wrote: post #268
meindnoch wrote: post #135

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I dream of a world, in which people are judged not by their age but by the content of their character.

There are other interaction modes than judging or hating. Age is useful for many of those, its especially useful for tolerance. Most cultures do have age based moral code for interaction which compensates both for experience(lack of) and decaying cognitive abilities due to age or provides credibility for perspective and trustworthiness. This enforced loss of fidelity is among the primary problems for online communica…

You're right, for example age is useful when picking targets for scams. It would also be great for groomers.

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Post by mrtksn »

chris_pie wrote: post #278
mrtksn wrote: post #268

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There are other interaction modes than judging or hating. Age is useful for many of those, its especially useful for tolerance. Most cultures do have age based moral code for interaction which compensates both for experience(lack of) and decaying cognitive abilities due to age or provides credibility for perspective and trustworthiness. This enforced loss of fidelity is among the primary problems for online communica…

You're right, for example age is useful when picking targets for scams. It would also be great for groomers.

So? Go protect them the proper way. Do you want also to have all your messages scanned because you may be up to something illegal? Should we refrain from encryption because can help terrorists? That's not my cup of tea, I don't like proxy "protections" that are supposed to protect us from evil at some huge cost like loosing privacy or human connection.

I don't subscribe to the idea that we should ban knives because someone can use them to stab someone.

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Post by lucb1e »

Geee wrote: post #233

The much bigger issue is that it's the first time when you're required by law to install government software on your devices. It's breaching your private space and it's immoral and wrong. Private spaces, including digital, should be protected from government by constitutional law.

> the first time you're required by law to install government software on your devices

If it were only that. We could sandbox it, deny it permissions it doesn't need, or inspect what it does. All fine and dandy.

No, it's the first time a democratic government requires you to carry a 5G video recorder that you can't turn off short of smashing it to pieces if the manufacturer is ordered to make it so. But then you can't do half the things a normal person can do so you won't smash it to pieces if you don't have evidence it's currently acting as a bug.

The EU software tries to detect when you put it in a sandbox or when you merely try to inspect what it's doing. Attach a debugger and it'll refuse to verify your age to social media so you can't use that anymore. Install an open source OS on your phone and you can't so much as legally obtain your own government's software in the first place.

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