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Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by felipec »

wredcoll wrote: post #268
felipec wrote: post #260

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There's nothing racist there.

He's literally saying that britain is now bad because there's too many non-white people living there. Its kinda the definition of racism. Also, of course, the rally he talks up is named after someone who is literally proud to be a racist. If none of that triggers your moral compass, you may need to have it recalibrated.

> He's literally saying that britain is now bad because there's too many non-white people living there.

No, he didn't. That's something you are hallucinating he said.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by mijoharas »

felipec wrote: post #270
mijoharas wrote: post #265

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DHH says he wants fewer non-white people in London in that article[0]. Do you not think that the article says that or do you not think that is white supremacy? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303305

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The article is on his blog[0], and is written in the first person. I assume we're agreeing that he wrote that?

Are you saying that the blog did not say that he wants fewer non-white people in London? I picked out the specific parts in [1].

In addition there is this quote:

> I thought I might move there one day. That was then. Now, I wouldn't dream of it. London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits.

He wouldn't dream of moving to London now because it now has a large proportion of non-"White British" people[1]. Is that not saying that he "wants fewer non-white people in London"?

Which part do you think is incorrect? The post reads quite clearly to me. I don't think he's being oblique.

[0] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303305

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by mijoharas »

15155 wrote: post #215
cogman10 wrote: post #206

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DHH complains about people that aren't "White British" in the article[0]. If he were talking about foreign born he would say "only 65% are native Brits" [1].

You may not think that nationality is equivalent to race, but DHH does in the article you're referencing.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303305

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303447

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by sleight42 »

ursuscamp wrote: post #159
scragz wrote: post #152

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I miss the days of "we're nice because matz is nice"

I've been a ruby user for almost 15 years. I've been to several RubyConfs in that time. I have never found that to be true. It's a thin veneer over rampant toxicity and political extremism. Many of the evangelists in the Ruby community garnered a horrible reputation outside of Ruby, then migrated to insular social media applications which no one uses, causing the slow and persistent decline in the popularity of the l…

I started using Ruby almost 20 years ago. I've been to a boat load of Ruby conferences. I even ran a hippy dippy Ruby event on the east coast for about 10 years.

It was welcoming.

Then 2016 happened. Then some Rubyists began spewing hate and distrust at people just because of their religion.

It wasn't political until certain groups made it political.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by corytheboyd »

corytheboyd wrote: post #66
thomascountz wrote: post #42

An update from Ruby Central: Strengthening the Stewardship of RubyGems and Bundler https://rubycentral.org/news/strengthening-the-stewardship-o...

Aren’t supply chain attacks caused by package maintainer accounts being compromised? I suppose too many people with keys to the package repository itself is also liability, but those accounts being compromised just hasn’t been what is happening.

The other side of the story came out, and of course, it’s very reasonable https://apiguy.substack.com/p/a-board-members-perspective-of...

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by nightpool »

corytheboyd wrote: post #275
corytheboyd wrote: post #66

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Aren’t supply chain attacks caused by package maintainer accounts being compromised? I suppose too many people with keys to the package repository itself is also liability, but those accounts being compromised just hasn’t been what is happening.

The other side of the story came out, and of course, it’s very reasonable https://apiguy.substack.com/p/a-board-members-perspective-of...

That doesn't sound very reasonable at all. Ruby Central, by their own admission, agreed to take $$$$ of funding on the premise that they would "secure RubyGems against supply chain attacks", and then sat on their hands not doing anything about it until a few days before the deadline, when it was too late to seek community consensus or figure out a good transition plan. So they ended up screwing over everybody who was actually doing work on the project. And they apparently used this as an opportunity to consolidate their power in other ways (renaming the github org) for reasons that were unrelated to the self-imposed deadline.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by wredcoll »

felipec wrote: post #271
wredcoll wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's literally saying that britain is now bad because there's too many non-white people living there. Its kinda the definition of racism. Also, of course, the rally he talks up is named after someone who is literally proud to be a racist. If none of that triggers your moral compass, you may need to have it recalibrated.

> He's literally saying that britain is now bad because there's too many non-white people living there. No, he didn't. That's something you are hallucinating he said.

> Now, I wouldn't dream of it. London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits.

Do elaborate on how exactly you tell if someone is a "native brit"? Who qualifies for such an honor?

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by JimmaDaRustla »

dismalaf wrote: post #219
cjk wrote: post #211

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https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

Question: do Palestinians deserve their own country?

You act like Palestine wasn't its own state before mass migration of Israeli settlers. Israelies have been expelling Palestinians and annexing their territory since about 1948.

So, do answer your extremely naive question, yes Palestinians deserve their own country. Preferably the territory they've occupied longer than the Israelies.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by JimmaDaRustla »

dismalaf wrote: post #263
prh8 wrote: post #232

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Well they had a country until the US and UK stepped in...

They've literally never had a country. Went from Roman to various foreign Islamic states (plus a crusader kingdom and the Mongols briefly) to Ottoman to British to part of Egypt (Gaza) and Jordan (West Bank) to current situation. Either way, it's weird that leftists will say every culture deserves their own land/country except Europeans...

Palestine existed before the Israeli occupation and annexation of their territory. Palestine is an internationally recognized sovereign state.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by yawaramin »

mikemcquaid wrote: post #238
yawaramin wrote: post #224

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Sure, but it's two different things. Maintainers are in charge of their projects, and Ruby Central is in charge of the package index. Each has different priorities, which is fine. If they can't find a way to live with each other, maybe a parting of the ways is required.

Parting of ways? Sure. In this case they are in charge of the package index but have removed most maintainers from their projects, implicitly taking charge there too. This is a problem.

How can they remove maintainers from their own projects? If my project is yawaramin/foobar, how can Ruby Central remove me as the mantainer from there?
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