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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by kridsdale3 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #226
sbinnee wrote: post #184

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I switched to 12 mini about a year ago from 1st gen SE because it broke down. I agree that it would be more than enough for years to come. I cannot agree more on the event video. It looks like a pure TV ad for a full hour long. Also, it used to cover more diversity in terms of presenters. Where are they now? I want to hear lovely accents from people all around the world.

Every event has been a fairly transparent ad. I think for this one, they may not have had as big a variety of people to choose from. Apple has always been big on diversity; long before it was fashionable. In this one, I noticed that the presenters all stood very still; more still than in previous ones. It looks like they were all green screen, and the video composer was just very good. I was impressed by the woman st…

Maybe they're super still because all the video is recorded, at night, on an iPhone 17 Pro, which has less ideal stabilization and long-shutter-exposure than a real camera.

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Post by ikety »

fluidcruft wrote: post #265
homebrewer wrote: post #260

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In some regions of the world a phone that is not considered "certified" by Google is only useful as a paperweight. For example, I wouldn't be able to interact with government services or use any banking with such a phone. (Notice the any and with — no, I can't switch to another bank except by emigrating somewhere, and banks are only available as mobile applications. No web.) So unless you're willing (and can afford!)…

Or... you just register with Google and sign things using your own keys to authorize them before sideloading. Or setup an LLC or whatever and register that entity with Google or whatever.

That’s already annoying and the same process as ios currently

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by kridsdale3 »

secabeen wrote: post #195
mschaef wrote: post #165

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Some of it's size, some of it the fact that the camera is a second device, and some of it's workflow. I tried a Sony RX100 (1" sensor) when they first came out, optimistic about the possibility of using it for 'general purpose' photography. After all, it's small enough. The problem was, it's a second device to carry around and keep charged. Then once you capture the image, it's largely stuck on the device until you f…

> Then once you capture the image, it's largely stuck on the device until you find a way to offload your images. I briefly experimented with cables that would let me do things like transfer images from the RX100 to my (Android at the time) mobile phone, for archiving and sending to family and friends. That turned the whole thing into the sort of science fair project that I didn't have time for as the parent of a very…

This is true, but switching to that mode is frustrating and you often have to use AWFUL mobileOS software to get the images. And my DLSL shoots like 25FPS and each raw file is 80MB. This is NOT fast to send over the wifi.

Waiting until I can plug in the 2TB memory card to my Mac and use a huge screen to review all the photos is far more efficient even if it has much higher startup latency.

Honestly this is a good reason to choose the iPhone Pro over the Air or Standard: 10gbps USB port. Plug the Nikon in to the phone for cloud upload. This would be the fastest path of all. Most people are only focused on the USB bandwidth in the iPhones for download from the phone.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Post by kridsdale3 »

mrheosuper wrote: post #219
dingaling wrote: post #99

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> As we raise our first child, having a quality camera is definitely important to us. A phone camera isn't really a camera, it's a digitally-airbrushed impression of reality. There just isn't enough light hitting the tiny sensor through the tiny lens. I have 20 year old 5MP DLSR portrait photos that are still better than what a 120MP phone can produce, because it's the lens that counts.

The best camera is the one you have on hand.

The actual best camera is the one you have on your head (Meta Glasses / Vision Pro / GoPro).

I have a number of great videos with my baby that required me to have both hands in-use. Only have those videos because of the above devices.

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Post by astrange »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #170
astrange wrote: post #92

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> the sensor readout for each rgb pixel Camera pixels are only one color at a time: GGRR BBGG (quad-Bayer; Fujifilm uses a weirder one called X-Trans. And some of them will be missing because they're damaged or are focus pixels.) And then you still have to do white balance and tone mapping, because your eyes do that and the camera sensor doesn't.

There is a big difference between interpolation (dealing with the bayer or xtrans array and delivering a 3 layer image file in your choice of format and bit depth using your choice of algorithms), shooting for white balance or tone mapping with a color card and calibrated monitor if you care about that level of accuracy, and what Apple is doing which is black box ML subtly yassifying your images and garbling small pr…

> shooting for white balance or tone mapping with a color card and calibrated monitor if you care about that level of accuracy

You need to do this if you want to see the image at all, and it involves a lot of subjective choices. The objective auto white balance algorithm usually described is objectively quite bad; for instance it's always described as a single transformation on the image, which doesn't make sense if there are multiple light sources.

The reason you'd want to render humans differently in the image is that a) if you don't get skin tones just right they'll look like corpses b) in real life you can choose to focus on a subject in a scene and this will cause them to appear brighter (because your eyes will adapt to them) but in an image there isn't that flexibility and so it helps to guess what the foreground of the image is and expose for that.

I forgot to say recent iPhone cameras let you turn off the sharpening effects anyway, just move the photographic style control down to Natural. It is true that the sharpening is kind of bad. This is because someone taught everyone that digital images are bandlimited so they use frequency-based sharpening algorithms, but they aren't, so those just give you ringing artifacts. For some reason nobody knows about warp-sharpen anymore.

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Post by NuclearPM »

zuhsetaqi wrote: post #243
msk-lywenn wrote: post #210

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Battery and USB-C ports can easily be changed. You don't need to change the whole thing to fix that. Just like you don't buy a new car when you have a flat tire or broken AC.

The comparison is a bit off. A replacement battery as a part alone does cost more than 10 % of a completely new Pixel 7 Pro. So definitely not comparable with a cars flat tire or broken AC...

There a tens of millions of cars on the road worth less than 10x that of a broken AC repair cost.

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Post by delfinom »

m463 wrote: post #208
Macha wrote: post #138

I'm actually considering buying myself an iPhone for the first time. I have basically two priorities when buying an phone: 1. Freedom. I should be able to build and run apps on it without the platform holder having a barrier on it. 2. Privacy. The phone shouldn't be an object to track me for better ad sales or any other purpose. Of course, priority 1 has until recently always led to Android while priority 2 has alway…

Thing is, privacy with apple is a marketing term. if apple offered actual privacy, you could: - find out what/when apps are running - find out who they are talking to - prevent it, including apple if you want and apple has all kinds of nonsense like deep links (apps can intercept links), bluetooth beacons (apps can talk to stuff in a store/location), and lots of other stuff behind the scenes. You can't find out if it…

Not to mention Apple allows itself to use the data it gathers from you for itself, which is no different than Google.

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Post by fluidcruft »

ikety wrote: post #272
fluidcruft wrote: post #265

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Or... you just register with Google and sign things using your own keys to authorize them before sideloading. Or setup an LLC or whatever and register that entity with Google or whatever.

That’s already annoying and the same process as ios currently

iOS requires XCode (only available on MacOS computers) so that's at least one difference

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Post by mrheosuper »

dmonitor wrote: post #262
simmerup wrote: post #223

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Which is mad becausw the Chinese are already making super thin foldable phones for consumers Another area where we're falling behind in tech

That's just par for the course with Apple. Late to the party, but they tend to nail it when they show up

Like AI ?

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Post by mrheosuper »

lm28469 wrote: post #239
GeekyBear wrote: post #166

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It is odd that you've long been able to buy a cellular iPad but not a cellular MacBook. Perhaps people who buy a MacBook are likely to have an iPhone in their pocket that will function as a hotspot and iPads are much more often used by people who are otherwise outside of Apple's ecosystem?

> Perhaps people who buy a MacBook are likely to have an iPhone in their pocket that will function as a hotspot You don't need an iphone, even a $50 phone will hotspot just fine. How many people travel with a laptop but no phone ?

Hotspot eats a lot of battery. If you charge your phone 1 per day, that can make difference between getting to the end of day or not.
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