Terrible murder aside, what kind of signals was that device going to intercept and why did it need to be on shore?
Laser-microphone pickup? Just a wild-ass guess.
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#272>you woke up before dawn with your companions to go diving in the freezing cold ocean, in hopes of putting some mussels on your family's table. But suddenly, you die. A man you have never met and whose presence you did not know about has shot you with his rifle. His companions stab your lungs so that your body will sink to the bottom of the sea. Your family will likely never know what happened to you. Man, fuck these…
The Winter Soldier was literally a film about how Captain America had to stop America from doing something like this because murdering innocents was a line that those in charge were perfectly willing to cross.
Do you not understand that that is also just more finely processed american propaganda? Captain America represents the "real" America, one that will not compromised by the corruption in our system. I think after the 90s it was just too much to show all Americans as the good guys, so now we do this dance where we are still essentially good, and we just have to stand strong against the bad guys within.
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#273.... as opposed to what? What do you think they should have done, sat around waiting to be captured so the could be featured in a NoKo TikTok video?
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#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I break into your home to steal something, and accidentally wake you up, is the only reasonable option for me to shoot you?
That's a surprisingly fitting analogy, because you don't know if the person you're robbing keeps a gun under their pillow, and you may only have a second to find out.
You're not a thief. You're a murderer. Because it is only a matter of time before that situation occurs.
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#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok. So then, how can you pretend to be against the killing of civilians if you choose more rather than less of it?
I believe that respect for IHL is more important than anything. If IHL were deeply ingrained in international political behaviour and absolutely established I could see deviations from it where such deviations could be justified on moral grounds as acceptable, but since the law is hardly even established it is more important that it be followed than that it minimizes suffering in the now. Furthermore, I don't think t…
You cannot judge a choice looking back on what later transpired. Events are intertwined in a causal chain which may have been affected. The best choice is the best you make at the time seeing what you have the capability to see.
I don't think we should be having wars and killing each other. I don't think we should need to. Hopefully one day we won't and we will stand together as 1 species united in purpose and prowess and exploring together.
For NK, projecting strength is so important. But belligerence is all they have, they don't really want to be fighting, they want to be rich and having fun. Past humiliation and present partnerships coerce them towards war. Surrender is improbable, and for them joining the world can only be done on terms where everyone respects their strength. Tho maybe it will change, and they will hunger for what we have, more than they are afraid to stand as equals lest they be seen as weak.
I think what can be done is to bring everyone together so no country needs nuclear weapons pointed at another country. But until then you need advantage in case of hostility and conflict.
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Winter Soldier was literally a film about how Captain America had to stop America from doing something like this because murdering innocents was a line that those in charge were perfectly willing to cross.
Do you not understand that that is also just more finely processed american propaganda? Captain America represents the "real" America, one that will not compromised by the corruption in our system. I think after the 90s it was just too much to show all Americans as the good guys, so now we do this dance where we are still essentially good, and we just have to stand strong against the bad guys within.
I don't think you understand what propaganda is.
Propaganda wouldn't be a movie in which the villain is the government of the country that the main hero also belongs to, and remains with at the conclusion of the movie.
OTOH, the trope of the hero's government being the villain is very much a trope in the conspiracy thriller genre, which has been around for more than 50 years.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Thank you for the correction, you're right and I apologize.