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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

Same thing has been happening for a long time in America. Politicians are typically risk adverse and the real world has complicated problems so they make up a 'virtual' problem to 'fix', or to turn into a new political football. Politics has become its own end: politicians have job security, and nothing changes except for the worse because constituents keep falling for the same tired shit.

This is demagogy 101: invent or exagerate a problem, and offer yourself as the only true solution. It's a recipe as old as bread, nothing particularly US centric.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom. the 3% tariff on Chinese tea was seen as oppressive don't look at what has been imposed this year (without congressional approval)

The tariff was oppressive in large part because the colonies didn't have representation in Parliament and were allowed limited (and decreasing) local governance. The Stamp, Townshend and Intolerable Acts were a whole lot more than just "we don't wanna pay taxes".

These tariffs may have representation, but constitutionally not from the right representative. Congress has the authority and only delegated it to the president in limited circumstances that don't apply. Trump says the ones on China are imposed for fentanyl being shipped in by mail and other means, and within days of saying that pardoned the largest opiates by mail operator in US history, Ross Ulbricht.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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VPNs are next: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn438z3ejxyo

Note that the children's commissioner is only an advisor to government. The government itself has said it doesn't believe VPNs should be outlawed - that's even stated in the article.

> it doesn't believe VPNs should be outlawed

That still leaves space for a lot of unpleasant, but plausible, alternatives:

* Banning under-18s from using VPNs; enforced by ordering Visa+Mastercard to deny UK-originating payments to VPN operators that don't verify their users' identity.

* Introducing a "VPN license"; initially only granted to large corporate users. All encrypted VPN traffic will be required to periodically broadcast their VPN license-number in cleartext so that ISP-based traffic monitoring will let it pass, otherwise the connection will be reset.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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It's all very "how to lie with statistics".

The world is complicated, and normal to have conflicting ideas.

To an extent, but it's also priming, ie lying with statistics.

Obviously if you tell people you're doing something to protect children and that's its only for porn or whatever they'll say yes. You've primed them - you immediately put their minds on the focus of negative things like porn and children getting hurt. Nobody wants children hurt.

You need to ask the question more generically. "Do you support age verification to access certain categories of websites?"

Something tells me the numbers of agreeance will fall.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I understand the people might wanna block porn on their kids mobile internet and home WiFi. So why don't they mandate their ISP to implement this as an optional feature ? Why do they instead try to boil the ocean by going after every website on the planet and outside of their jurisdiction?

My solution was to set my router to use the DNS server at 1.1.1.3 which blocks adult sites. https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-1-1-1-1-for-families...

I assume this doesn't block porn on reddit or non-porn websites?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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4chan uses Cloudflare. Blocking routes to Cloudflare may have an interesting impact unless CF are cooperating with the UK. 4chan could stop using CF but their moderators will have to step up their game as CF is being used to detect and block CSAM.

CF will cooperate with UK authorities because they're not in 4chan's business.

I doubt it heavily. CF has control over a large chunk of the global internet - they're not going to go thru their clients one by one and make sure they're doing age verification. That's absurd and far too expensive.

The alternative to that is either:

1. UK blocks cloudflare (unlikely, come on now)

2. UK gives cloudflare a pass (fairly common)

3. Somewhere in-between. Maybe UK cares about highly visible people behind cloudflare like 4Chan but not others.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Humiliation of the UK continues. Falling into irrelevance / meme territory.

Good, that’s the only way these unpopular laws might get repealed or reworked, given that the UK citizens can’t or won’t do much about it except collectively shrug.

What terrifies me is that the EU is looking at UK’s OSA as a model, and will soon implement it here.

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