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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by agos »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #199
toastercat wrote: post #141

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Yeah, I wasn't happy about that. Nor was I happy about the new 3-year-of-updates license model that ST4 adopted. Although at least to me, Sublime Text 4 feels like a "finished" product.

ST developer here. We aren't happy that happened either, it was a big oversight in the ST4 release that made people like yourself lose trust in us. I'm sorry and will do my best to not have something like that happen again. > Nor was I happy about the new 3-year-of-updates license model that ST4 adopted. I'm curious what you don't like about this model? The most common complaint with regards to updates was the long w…

not OP but I am not thrilled by "x months/years of updates" because you pay upfront for updates that you're not really sure that will happen. Will I get bug fixes? Will I get new features or at least significant improvements? Will the two person team work on the other project?

I have had experience with quite a few projects switching to recurring billing, occasionally justifying it with "to support development of great new stuff" and then... just keeping the same rate of updates as before, resulting in a de facto steep upgrade. That said, three years of upgrades for 99$ is reasonable, even if there were only bugfixes

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by agos »

keyle wrote: post #201
airesQ wrote: post #106

Is IntelliJ "bad"? Aren't the reactions here overly negative? This means the company is funded, development will continue, zed will continue to improve. An IntelliJ style license (for example) is an acceptable trade-off from my point-of-view

IntelliJ lost the plot at the inception of CLion etc. I was a customer for so many years. "One IDE to rule them all" and then they started cashing on more. Progress was down to a crawl, performance down the shitter and bug reports go unnoticed for 2+ years. VSCode poops on IntelliJ these days for everything but the UX; but with enough modding, it can be very close.

Another big point was they implemented their own parsers for everything which allowed them to make nifty things - the refactor features way back in the early 10s was miles ahead of everyone else - but then LSP happened and that advantage is diminishing and becoming a liability

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by jon-wood »

Ygg2 wrote: post #244
shawabawa3 wrote: post #230

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They literally stopped developing for about 5 years, it wasn't just about the team not keeping up

Why would you stop developing for 5 years?

Maybe they just wanted to do something else. Sometimes people just don't want to grind on endlessly for theoretically more money when what they've got already is enough for them.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by johnisgood »

figassis wrote: post #233
aranelsurion wrote: post #125

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There was a time around ST2 when it felt like everyone was using it and it could've become The Editor, then something happened and it's been left in the dust. I wasn't even aware but apparently even fourth version of ST was released, and that was in 2021. I lost track of what happened there (moved to Vim back then), was it VSCode that killed it?

Basically yes, vscode was free, almost as fast and had more features, like out of the box intellisense.

People refer to it as VSCode, but do people really use VSCode or VSCodium? I personally use VSCodium. I think that is the most de-telemetry'd version of it, I think?

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by GuB-42 »

csense wrote: post #194

I'm willing to accept this claim: - You can make money when your product is a text editor. I am very skeptical of these claims: - When your product is a text editor, $42 million in capital can be effectively deployed to make meaningful improvements to your product. - When your product is a text editor, your lifetime inflation-adjusted profit will eventually exceed $42 million. Sequoia is apparently not so skeptical,…

What they are really selling is an AI service subscription.

They are giving out the actual text editor for free.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by Orygin »

Hendrikto wrote: post #268
hashbig wrote: post #183

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They have some house cleaning to do in their leadership before I am willing to use a product they back. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/36604

I have never seen so much virtue signaling and moral superiority in a GitHub issue. What a joke.

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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by itake »

timeon wrote: post #240
dewey wrote: post #237

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They didn’t “solve” it, otherwise it would be a thriving editor that everyone would be using. In reality 70% of the people I see are using Cursor (Subscription), Vscode (Free) or some JetBrains products (Subscription). I only know of some people including myself that have ST for opening large files, where performance matters.

Why do you think that it is not thriving? Is the company struggling? Not everyone needs to use the thing to be thriving.

I don't know anyone that still uses Sublime. I haven't seen a company recommend its engineers use it either. I used to be an avid user until VSCode came out.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by ActionHank »

echelon wrote: post #153
ActionHank wrote: post #145

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It was a cool idea while it lasted, I hope other editors embrace the learnings once zed is gone.

I doubt anyone will follow this. 1. Everyone else is building on Electron. 2. People still sleep on or dunk on Rust. There's a great deal of negativity here on HN for the language. 3. There's only so much Rust talent out there.

Whilst rust is a big part of this it is not the core of their innovation. Pushing everything to the GPU is.

Stating that everyone else is building on Electron belies your lack of exposure to any editors other than vscode \ atom spin offs.

Realistically all the editors including those based on Electron could easily shift to leveraging the GPU more and that would be big leap forward for performance.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by lionkor »

hashbig wrote: post #183
eldenring wrote: post #166

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What do you mean by that list? They pretty much have every single big tech company in their portfolio.

They have some house cleaning to do in their leadership before I am willing to use a product they back. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/36604

Wow, some people really don't know what to give a shit about, do they? It must be endlessly exhausting to go around looking for any reason to boycott everything, instead of using these fantastic tools to make things that make the world a better place.
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