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UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Post by rightbyte »

doublerabbit wrote: post #159
khalic wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I was specifically talking about UKs lack of protest, see the issue here?

But the UK is not lacking in protest; we do protest. What I am saying is that protesting is a method of freedom & rebellion that is now flawed for today's modern world. It may work in a few odd countries but overall now achieves nothing. Protests do not work in these modern times. It may of worked in the in the 1800's because society was maybe of been more united, less corrupted in power however the power that folks…

> Instead let's hold a stick with cardboard glued to it and pretend that politicians care. (spoiler: they don't)

If you have too weak internal political support for something cardboard signs do help push something maybe over the edge.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Post by skeezyboy »

khalic wrote: post #221
skeezyboy wrote: post #118

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give an example of a non violent movement such as youre describing. i dont think one has ever existed and actually achieved anything

Yellow jacket france

they didnt change anything

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Post by skeezyboy »

andai wrote: post #190
khalic wrote: post #84

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There is widely available literature analyzing public disobedience, I suggest you find some reliable source in your favorite learning media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Thanks. So, Gandhi style peaceful resistance? Would that work in England, the way it did in India occupied by England?

The Brits had to leave India because they were running out of money after WW2, that little sari wearing wrong-un had nothing to do with it

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Post by tgv »

mdp2021 wrote: post #202
tgv wrote: post #98

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Is this you? news.ycombinator.com | Hacker News https://news.ycombinator.com Reported: 15 August, 2025 at 10:09 Shut down on: 15 August, 2025 Shutting down due to OSA Discussion site for insufferable nerds. Submitted

It is nice of you to do community bond building by being jocular, tgv, but I do not see context nor content. I do not see context because this is the beginning of "present an ID to access the web" , and I do believe in slippery slopes, especially in a world where societies have lost the basics. And I do not see content because I am not sure you want to suggest anything relevant with that. For the rest, we can joke wh…

I copied that entry from https://www.blocked.org.uk/osa-blocks. It's clear this site hasn't been blocked. "The rest of that list" is not relevant. Most of it seems trolling, to give somebody a headache, I presume.

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Post by esskay »

liveoneggs wrote: post #268
esskay wrote: post #247

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And theres the "obscure cases where the details are being conveniently glossed over" part. How long has he been sentence to jail for again? I'm not defending his arrest, and quite obviously something went very wrong there, but again, we're talking about jail here. Posting an obscure cockup as if its the norm is pretty disingenuous.

keep moving those goal posts to justify your denial

How can there be denial for something you cant actually demonstrate is anything more than a fringe issue?

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Post by khalic »

skeezyboy wrote: post #273
andai wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. So, Gandhi style peaceful resistance? Would that work in England, the way it did in India occupied by England?

The Brits had to leave India because they were running out of money after WW2, that little sari wearing wrong-un had nothing to do with it

This is historical revisionism

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Post by desas »

khalic wrote: post #233
desas wrote: post #193

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The same thing applies in the US doesn't it? There has essentially only been two political parties (three if you squint hard enough) for nearly the entire existence of the country?

Yeah that’s why I was making the parallel

Oh thanks for clearing that up, I misunderstood on my previous read.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Post by mdp2021 »

tgv wrote: post #275
mdp2021 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is nice of you to do community bond building by being jocular, tgv, but I do not see context nor content. I do not see context because this is the beginning of "present an ID to access the web" , and I do believe in slippery slopes, especially in a world where societies have lost the basics. And I do not see content because I am not sure you want to suggest anything relevant with that. For the rest, we can joke wh…

I copied that entry from https://www.blocked.org.uk/osa-blocks . It's clear this site hasn't been blocked. "The rest of that list" is not relevant. Most of it seems trolling, to give somebody a headache, I presume.

> "The rest of that list" is not relevant

Last time I checked it (here I barely have any Internet connection) it contained complaints from people unable to straightly conduct their usual web activities, of a sensitivity nature above Peppa Pig.

Hysterics? Possibly. But the first steps that could lead to the worse are taken. I have little trust in the profiles I see to have faith the future steerings.

> Is this you?

If you were suggesting that I could be behind childish acts, in the proper societies I lament are going missing you were supposed to apologize.

My age is private, not low.

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Post by Jensson »

roenxi wrote: post #182
NoboruWataya wrote: post #28

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Doesn't this just mean that it is about "protecting children" and influence over public discourse? The fact remains that the Category 1 rules impose onerous duties on websites that have a significant influence over public discourse, with the effect that many of them will see their influence significantly reduced and may have to fold altogether if they cannot afford to comply. In fact it is pretty obvious from the OSA…

I think the original paraphrase is actually pretty reasonable even with the full context - what is Section 1 doing in the Act if it is primarily aimed at protecting children? There is a lot more public discourse going on than there are unsafe children. If the act deals with both it is, practically, an act aimed primarily at influencing the public discourse with some child-related rules tacked on. Something like 80% o…

That just makes it even worse, they sell this as a child protection act but as you say most of what it affects has nothing to do with child safety.
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